Kobe Bryant vs. Michael Jordan argument is no longer heresy（reprint from Washing

诸葛炎明

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PHOENIX


If we're going to have the conversation, we might as well go to one of the primary sources, no?

Greatest of all time, you or Michael?

"That's hard for me," Kobe Bryant said, walking to another team bus after another virtuoso performance in late May. "I'm still young. Our careers are so different."

But what if you win a championship this season and one or two more rings before you retire? That would equal or surpass Michael Jordan's haul of titles. Don't we have to start talking about it?

"You can, but I don't know if it's fair to anyone," Kobe said. "I mean, I came off the bench early in my career. We had such different beginnings, you know? And then I played with a much different team about halfway through my career. You almost have to judge my career in two phases."

He's right.

There was Kobe With Shaq and Kobe Without Shaq; Michael always had Scottie Pippen.

Kobe came straight from high school; Michael stayed three years at North Carolina. Kobe is working on his fifth title at 31 years old; Michael didn't win his fifth until he was 34 years old.

Yet for the bulk of their careers, they both also had Phil Jackson, the greatest coach in the game.

"He's comparable [to Jordan]," Jackson said of Bryant on Saturday night in the desert outside the coach's room at U.S. Airways Arena. "He's got the same drive and determination."
Jackson had just watched the game's most accomplished player pour in 37 points and two of the most jaw-dropping shots in the final two minutes of a close-out victory over the Phoenix Suns in the Western Conference finals, shots that pushed the Lakers into their third straight NBA Finals and seventh in the last 11 seasons.

So, he was essentially asked, what if Michael's surreal highlights start to be referred to as "Kobe-esque?" Or is that just heresy? Should we play the "Greatest of All Time" game?

"People are going to do it," Jackson replied.

What about you?

"I will hold back observation until that time."

Okay, that's a maybe. And raise your hand right now if you thought Phil would ever go there on any level?

We can play "Who Had More 40- and 50-point games?" and "Who Holds More NBA records?" and break down raw numbers forever. And it won't do anything but satisfy the people who calibrate the game instead of celebrate it.

But the entire debate is really immaterial in some ways, isn't it? Because in the G.O.A.T. argument, the problem for Bryant isn't about production -- it's about perception.

The unfortunate truth for Kobe is he can never be Michael because he isn't thought of as likable as Jordan, also the greatest commercial pitchman ever for an athlete. Even if he tied or surpassed Jordan in championships and postseason magical moments, Bryant's public missteps -- the prideful ego war with Shaquille O'Neal early in his career, the sexual assault charge eventually dropped in Colorado and his desire to leave the Lakers only a few years ago -- will always be held against him.

"Let's say he does get two more rings," Tim Legler, the former player and now an ESPN analyst, said recently in a telephone interview. "Even if he doesn't win any more MVP awards, he will probably approach Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's all-time scoring record. You absolutely can make a valid argument for Kobe being the greatest ever when that happens.

"But he will never be revered like Michael Jordan will be revered," Legler added. "He's never been beloved like Michael has been beloved. Very little of that has to do with what happened in Vail [Colo.] or anything with Shaq.

"There's still something about him. So many people question how genuine Kobe is. He's chosen to not let people really get to know him."

Because we sadly convince ourselves that what we see on television equals who someone is, Kobe won't even go down as the greatest Laker in history. Magic Johnson wrapped that up for eternity a long time ago.

Purely based on his professional persona, I think Kobe gets shortchanged on the image issue. See, Michael was as cutthroat and undiplomatic and nasty as a champion ever was. By the time he put on the suit and tie, though, he was a much better actor. With his megawatt smile and disarming wink, he could conceal the shadow side of him in ways Kobe never really cared if he concealed.

When I ran that thought by Kobe late Saturday night in Phoenix, he didn't completely agree. "He wasn't better at hiding it," Kobe said of Michael. "I think there was just less media coverage."

Either way, it's time to stop ignoring the possibility there will ever be a player of Jordan's ilk -- and maybe better.

"Yeah, you can compare them," said Brian Shaw, the Lakers assistant coach who played with Kobe and against both players. "They're made of the same stuff. The difference: I think Michael had just bigger hands. He could palm the ball off the dribble. I don't think Kobe can do that."

I sought out Steve Kerr for the final say. He played with Michael and against Kobe. Kerr intimately felt the moments when Michael siphoned the soul from a team's season, no more than the night he shot down Utah on the road in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals.

Flash forward to another Game 6, Western Conference finals, 12 years later. Thirty-five seconds left, game in the balance. The best player on the court squares and fires off-balance from the right wing with hands in his face. Good. Another visiting arena is crestfallen, its team's season over. Kerr, now the Phoenix Suns general manager, intimately felt that shot puncture more than a great year.

"He's the only guy you can legitimately say is right there with Michael," Kerr said. "Kobe actually has better shooting range than Michael. Now, Michael was more physical. The rules when he played allowed the Knicks to maul him. But in the end, they're both killers and the most incredible players of their eras."

It's easy to appreciate both for their talents and their triumphs this time of year.

It's harder to acknowledge the truth and just say it: If Kobe Bryant wins his fifth title in the next two weeks and wins two more championships before he retires to give him seven rings, he has to be given the nod as the greatest individual talent ever to play in the NBA.

As hard as that might be to hear for Michael and his legions, that's not heresy anymore

[ 本帖最后由 诸葛炎明 于 2010-5-31 10:14 编辑 ]

lxm095

这个貌似是和太阳打完后的采访记录？？？？

19851221zhou

没中文???????????????????????????????????

焰烁

这东西要是有中文能引来多少愤青啊                                    。

Tie_shen

关于乔丹和科比的比较，以及科比能否超越或者达到乔丹水平的文章，没啥太大意思。

Ncaa2007

看不到 等翻译帝.

Znfsouth

NBA接班人（也可说是NBA大使）一代接一代， 大鸟 魔术师 乔丹 这些超级巨星之后，谁可以接手，科比有这个能力和潜质，领袖能力， 最重要的是的一直是那么刻苦 那么卖力， 现役里面， 不得不说仅有科比可以可以接替了。。

linchx

此帖证明喷子都是不懂E文的。。。。。。。

qqgameboys

没翻译....................

qwe2914569

　　凤凰
　　
　　
　　如果我们要有会话,我们不妨去的主要来源,不是吗?
　　
　　伟大的时间,你还是迈克尔?
　　
　　“对我来说,”科比说道,走到另一个球队大巴之后的又一伟大的音乐家在五月底性能。“我还年轻。我们的事业是如此不同。”
　　
　　但是如果你赢得了本赛季的冠军和一个或两个以上的戒指之前,你要退休?那就等于或超过迈克尔·乔丹在拖曳的冠军。难道我们要开始谈论它吗?
　　
　　“你可以,但是我不知道它是公平的,”科比说。“我的意思是,我替补出场在我职业生涯的早期。我们有一些不同的起点,你知道吗?然后我玩过很多不同的团队到一半的职业。你必须时刻判断我的职业生涯中,两个阶段。”
　　
　　他是正确的。
　　
　　有科比和奥尼尔和科比没有鲨鱼、迈克尔总是皮蓬。
　　
　　科比来从高中、迈克尔呆三年在北卡罗莱那州。科比在他的第五个冠军31岁的迈克尔·没赢他;第五,直到他是34岁。
　　
　　但大部分的职业,他们俩都有最伟大教练菲尔杰克逊,在这场比赛。
　　
　　“他是相当[约旦],”杰克逊说科比在星期六晚上在旷野的房间外的美国航空公司的舞台。“他有同样的动力和决心。”
　　杰克逊刚看过比赛最有才华的球员将在37分,两种最顶级的球在最后两分钟的一个解决战胜菲尼克斯太阳队在西部决赛,投进,湖人连续第三次NBA总决赛的第七在过去的11个赛季。
　　
　　所以,他基本上是问,“如果迈克尔的超现实主义强调开始被称为“Kobe-esque吗?”还是只是异端吗?我们要玩“伟大的时间”的游戏吗?
　　
　　“人们应该如何去做,”杰克逊说。
　　
　　你呢?
　　
　　“我就观察到的时间。”
　　
　　好的,那是一种可能。举起你的手,现在如果你想去那儿曾经菲尔的任何水平?
　　
　　我们可以玩“谁更有40 -和砍下的游戏吗?”和“谁拥有更多的NBA记录吗?”,打破原始数据,直到永远。这不会做任何事,除了满足人的校准游戏而庆祝。
　　
　　但是整个争论是真的物质在某些方面,不是吗?因为在G.O.A.T.争论的问题,对于科比来说并不是关于生产——大约是感知。
　　
　　这个不幸的事实是他永远无法给科比,因为他不是发生在迈克尔乔丹一样的可爱的,商业时代之音播音员曾经为一个伟大的运动员。即使他系或超越乔丹的锦标赛,以及季后赛,科比的公众魔法时刻——高傲的自我的战争中中国和奥尼尔在他职业生涯的早期的性侵犯,最终在科罗拉多州,负责他执意要离开湖人只有几年前——永远归与祂。
　　
　　“我们说,他会更响,”提姆两个Legler,前者的球员,现在是ESPN分析师表示,最近在电话采访中说。“即使他没有获得MVP奖项,他更可能会接近贾巴尔空前的进球记录。你完全可以让一个有效的理由是有史以来最伟大的科比在那个时候。
　　
　　“但是他永远不会被尊崇,就像迈克尔·乔丹将被尊崇,“Legler补充道。“他从来没有像迈克尔已经至爱,至爱的人类。非常小的,与发生在科罗拉多州帕。)(或任何与鲨鱼。
　　
　　“还有一些关于他的事情。真正的问题是,很多人是科比。他选择不让人真正了解他。”
　　
　　因为我们可悲的是说服自己,我们在电视上看到的那些人,等于甚至都不会去科比在历史上最伟大的球员。魔术师约翰逊的包裹,直至永恒很久以前的事了。
　　
　　根据他的职业形象单纯,我认为科比会在图片上的不足。看,迈克尔是杀手和那些傻,急作为冠军。他穿上西服,打上领带,不过,他是一个更好的演员。与他睁一只眼闭一只眼,微笑和解除兆瓦的影子,他可能隐藏在他的道科比从来没有真正注意如果他隐藏。
　　
　　当我跑的科比周六晚上在《凤凰社》中,他并没有完全同意。“他不是更好,”科比说掩饰对迈克尔。“我认为这只是少了媒体的报道。”
　　
　　无论如何,现在是时候停止忽视可能性曾经是一名球员,虽然——也许乔丹更上一层楼。
　　
　　“是的,你可以比较表示:“布莱恩·肖,湖人队的助理教练,曾与科比对这两名球员。“他们是由相同的东西。这个区别:我想迈克尔刚刚较大的手中。他可能棕榈的球。我不认为科比会这样做。”
　　
　　我找到史蒂夫·克尔最后说。他与迈克尔和科比。克尔亲密时刻感受到的灵魂虹吸迈克尔的季节,没有超过晚上他击落爵士在路上在第六场比赛中,1998年NBA总决赛。
　　
　　闪光的期待另一个第六场比赛中,西部决赛,12年后。35秒的时候,游戏的平衡。最好的球员在场上表广场和火灾从右翼用手在他的脸上。好的。另外一个访问竞技场队伍的季节,它沮丧。克尔,现在菲尼克斯太阳队的总经理、亲密的感觉投篮穿刺超过一个伟大的赛季。
　　
　　“他是唯一一个可以合法权利和迈克尔-舒马赫在说,”科尔说。“科比却有更好的射程超过迈克尔。现在,迈克尔是更强壮的身体。当他踢的规则,他允许尼克斯魔。但在最后,他们都是杀手和最不可思议的球员,他们的时代。”
　　
　　它很容易欣赏既为自己的才智和他们的胜利。
　　
　　虽然很难承认这个事实和直接说:如果科比拿下他的第五个冠军在接下来的两周里,赢得两个冠军他退休前给他七环,他必须获胜是最伟大的天才球员曾经在NBA打球。
　　
　　这可能是努力去听他的军团迈克尔,那不是异端