皮洛士式的胜利

hooligan20

皮洛士胜利是一场胜者来说付出极大代价的胜利,同时它也蕴涵着再来一场这样的胜利将导致战役的最终失利.
这个短语是在伊庇鲁斯国王皮洛士,他的军队以遭受了不可替代的伤亡在赫拉克里亚公元前280和阿斯库路姆公元前279皮洛士战争期间击败了罗马人之后命名的.在较后期的战斗中,普鲁塔克由狄奥尼在报告中有所叙述:
军队分散了,“再来场这样的胜利将彻底的毁灭他”，而且据说是皮洛士回应一个给他带来他喜悦的胜利。对他来说他失去了他所带来兵力的一个很大部分，而且几乎是他所有朋友和最主要的指挥官，同时在那里没有其他人可以招募并且他发现盟国在意大利的后部。另一方面，就好像一股从城市涌出的持续不断的泉水一样，罗马人的兵营被新兵员很快且充分的补充进来，一点没有因为他们所蒙受的损失而减弱勇猛，更甚至来自他们非常愤怒的新获得的军队和继续战争的决心。
就两者皮洛士的胜利和罗马人比皮洛士更大伤亡而言，而罗马人有一个更大得多的招募士兵人员补给，因此他们相对战争成果的伤亡比皮洛士对他们自己的来说小的多。
报告经常被引用为“再来一场这样的胜利我只能独自回伊庇鲁斯了。”或者“如果我们再胜罗马人一场战斗，我们将被彻底毁灭。”
虽然它与军事战斗最紧密相关，但是此术语被运用比喻的领域例如商业，政治，法律，文学，以及体育来描述任何对胜者来说具有毁灭性的斗争。例如，神学家尼布尔，“强迫的需要是为了公正”的文学作品，警告道，道德理由必须学会如何强迫它的同类而不冒剥削和否定功绩的皮洛士式胜利的风险”。另外，在BEAUHARNAIS诉伊利诺伊州最高法院案中，根据伊利诺伊州的法规规定群体诽谤，法官布莱克，持异议，警告说“少数承认这项阻止行为为胜利的群体，他们可能要考虑这个古代短语的相关性：‘再来这一场胜利，那我就完了’。”
原文：A Pyrrhic victory (pronounced /ˈpɪrɪk/) is a victory with devastating cost to the victor; it carries the implication that another such will ultimately cause defeat.
Origin

The phrase is named after King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at Heraclea in 280 BC and Asculum in 279 BC during the Pyrrhic War. After the latter battle, Plutarch relates in a report by Dionysius:

    The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one more such victory would utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war.
    —[1]

In both of Pyrrhus's victories, the Romans had more casualties than Pyrrhus did. However, the Romans had a much larger supply of men from which to draw soldiers, so their casualties did less damage to their war effort than Pyrrhus's casualties did to his.

The report is often quoted as "Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone,"[2] or "If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined."[3]

Although it is most closely associated with a military battle, the term is used by analogy in fields such as business, politics, law, literature, and sports to describe any similar struggle which is ruinous for the victor. For example, the theologian Reinhold Niebuhr, writing of the need for coercion in the cause of justice, warned that: "Moral reason must learn how to make a coercion its ally without running the risk of a Pyrrhic victory in which the ally exploits and negates the triumph."[4] Further, in Beauharnais v. Illinois, a Supreme Court case involving a charge under an Illinois statute proscribing group libel, Justice Black, in his dissent, warned that "f minority groups who hail this holding as their victory, they might consider the possible relevancy of this ancient remark: 'Another such victory and I am undone.'"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

[ 本帖最后由 hooligan20 于 2010-5-28 18:43 编辑 ]

hooligan20

秋版拿战中打出的皮洛士胜利
http://game.ali213.net/viewthread.php?tid=3181975&page=1&extra=page%3D1#pid31480321

[ 本帖最后由 hooligan20 于 2010-5-28 18:27 编辑 ]

hooligan20

文中最后两个案例翻译不是很好，因为对这两个著名的例子了解得不多，所以请资深人士可以进行修补，没想到秋版打出的皮洛士胜利引出那么深奥的东西，不得不佩服ca制作的深度，但是有一句话真的很不满，无论是拿战还是帝国loading时的画面有一句英语的“死有重于泰山，或轻于鸿毛”说是日本谚语，感觉和端午节被韩国申遗心情一样。

[ 本帖最后由 hooligan20 于 2010-5-28 18:38 编辑 ]

bdaabc

皮洛士胜利记得在这里也解释过不止一次了，不过一般都直接说杀敌一千自损八百。。。
作为在伊利诺伊州呆过一段时间的人，我表示那里种族对立没那么突出。。。

[ 本帖最后由 bdaabc 于 2010-5-28 23:11 编辑 ]

诸葛用兵

这和皇帝的新衣寓意一样啊……

上帝无罪

LZ翻译文章上瘾了吗？

秋之回忆n

我也没都想打自己会打出这个评价来，最近才开始认真玩NTW！