转自SI论坛一位斑竹的精华内容(已被强人翻译)

tademama

Before I get into the details of this thread, id first like to point out that, this thread is more about different ideas and a different way of making tactics. Rather than it being something to download and use. I will not be putting the tactic up for download, as I want this to be discussion based. If you try and emulate my success, you may have different results that I did due to what I changed/didnt change and how I may see things happening on the pitch.

This is by far the best formation that I have used on FM this year. It offers great defensive cover, aswell as plenty of numbers going forward. I have used this with lots of different teams and had simliar success across the board. I've used Arsenal, Lyon, Shakhtar, New York, Sheffield United, Chengdu Blades and WS Woulwe.

I also know Buxton as used this too and had simliar success. We threw a lot of ideas around for a few weeks on how to set this up, so a lot of work and effort got put into this, not only by me but Buxton too.

Most people play with a back 4 on FM, but as usual I wanted to move away from that again. I've always liked the thought of proper wingbacks supporting attacks. So when Buxton told me the shape he was thinking of using, I also had a crack at it. I was impressed from the way it played and there are also many ways in which you can set this up.

I'll explain more in the next post.

I'm going to split this thread up, so each reply covers something different. That was I can fill it up with as much info as possible about my team, players, settings and tactic used. This way, its easier to relay the information.


As you can see it covers most areas of the pitch. When attacking it becomes a 343 of some kind, due to the wingacks high mentality. But when defending it falls back to 541. All good formations should play 2 seperate shapes when attacking and defending. Flexibilty is one of the most important factors for me when choosing a formation as it offers diversity if needed.

I best just point out before I carry on, that this shape exploits nothing in the match engine apart from space and weaknesses in the oppositions tactics. So dont start with the 'oh my god exploit' nonsesnse please.

The back three, there job is simple, to just defend. The wingbacks are both, attack and defend.

The central midfielders are purely attacking, as I wanted to move away from the general thoughts that you cannot have success without a holding player. So purely for this purpose, I choose not to have any holding players.

The wingers jobs are both different, one is more like a striker and set up to score as many goals as possible. While the other, is more of a crosser of the ball and his strenghts are his build up play.

The striker is m main source of goals, just like any other lone striker. However, he does play his bit in build up play too and even gets a fair amount of assists.

I'll cover the areas of the tactics a little better further on.

The team instructions are all default as I've used all individual settings instead. Things like tempo. d-line and time wasting, can be changed game by game. So setting them for me is not a universal thing, more a tweak done on a game by game basis. This tactic is more about getting the best out of an individual, rather than playing a certain way as a unit. I've done topics what show you how to play as a unit many times, but on the forums I don't see many topics where a tactic is set up to get the best out of individuals. So hopefully this will give a little insight into this.

[ 本帖最后由 tademama 于 2008-5-17 18:37 编辑 ]

tademama

The Defence

While it consists of a back 5, the wingbacks are quite adventerous. Because I play a flat three central defenders it allows the wingbacks to get forward as much as possible. The three central defenders jobs is to hold a strong defensive line and deal with any quick counter attacks, should my wingbacks get caught out of position.

As for the wingbacks, they both have very different tasks to do. My right wingback is more attack minded and gets forward more than my left one, due to his stats been quite better for getting forward.

Here are my defence settings that I use;

All three centebacks are set up the same. However if you wanted to, you could have the two outer defenders on man marking. I do this normally but the current defenders I have, lack the quality to a good job at man marking.

Id also prefer mixed passing so I keep possession a little better, but againmI think my players are not good enough to use their own judgements. If you find the three defenders are going for the same balls alter the mentality slightly and closing down and see if this improves it. But as a rule they are normally fine.

[ 本帖最后由 tademama 于 2008-5-17 13:47 编辑 ]

tademama

Here is the right wingbacks settings

As you'll see hes on the last notch of normal mentality. He's asked to dribble with the ball because hes got a stat of 15 for dribbling. If you look at the WBL's settings you will notice they are very different.

If its a game were I might not be favourite to win then I might ask him to be a little more cautious with his forward runs. But as I am only in The Championship, it doesn't matter too much at the moment as I am probably the strongest team here. This wingback chips in with a few assists too, which is encouraging.

tademama

Left winback settings

As you see he is a lot more cautious and this is because hes weak at going forward in comparision to the right sided player. I could have him more attacking, but this would have an impact on my left winger too and upset the way I've asked him to play. I'm not too bothered about overlapping on the left as I want my winger to do all the crossing.

This wingaback doesn't have tight marking as hes not as far forward. So I really don't need for him to tight mark unless I make him more attacking. I gave the right wingback tight marking to help him track back more, especially with him the being the player to be caught out of position at times. It also makes him force more interceptions than usual and can sometimes lead to quick attacks.

tademama

Midfield

There are many ways you could set up the midfield pair if you wished. You could use two holding players, one attacking and one holding player, two attacking etc. Its really upto you how you set them up. However I choose to have one attacking player and one more normal midfielder. But the more normal midfield I tweak on a game by game basis. Hes never defensive minded though, but I tweak how attacking I want him to be, based on the opposition I'm playing

Quiet attacking really for a MC and can get caught out if the opposition break forward quickly. But this is a risk I like to take and accept, due to the way I play. Every tactic has weaknesses as its all dependant on how you play and what you expect. I can't expect to attack with as many players as I do and not get caught out at times

tademama

Midfield left settings

These are the base settings I use and tweak game by game. Everything is pretty standard and is down to you to set.

tademama

Attack

My guess would be that more people will be interested in this part of the tactic more so than the defensive side

Right winger settings

This is almost my second striker, especially with the amount of goals he scores. Some might think his settings are bizzare, but there not. Hes set up like this so he can score goals, rather than passing or crossing. A few of his goals have come from crosses from the left and hes been running into the box and taps it in, at the far post.

tademama

Left winger settings


Again a bit different from the right wingers settings. Especially the mentality part. Because my right wingback is attacking I had to give the right winger a higher mentality also, so they dont clash at times.

The job of the left winger is to cross the ball simple as. I dont expect him to score many goals in all honesty, thats not his job. Even though my striker is not the tallest player or very good in the air, I still want crosses into box. If my striker misses the ball, there is a god chance my right winger could get on the end og it and create something

tademama

Striker settings

Pretty basic instructions in all honesty. All I want him to do is put the ball into the back of the net or play someone in whos in a better position. He grabs a fair few assist for a striker playing upfront on his own.

帝陨

在我开始仔细讨论这个问题之前.我要指出,在这个帖子中,我会着重讨论各种关于战术设计的想法和方法,而非单纯的给出一套战术下载压缩包……所以,我不准备将战术打包上传.因为我希望这张帖子能成为一个战术讨论的地方.如果你尝试模仿我的战术.你可能会得到不同的结果(比方说球员的微调,和临场指挥等等)
  我想说,这个可以算作是我在历代FM里面用过的最好的战术。他能提供强力的防守，同时有足够的前场球员进攻。我用许多队伍尝试了这个战术。并且都获得了成功。（Arsenal, Lyon,         Shakhtar, New York, Sheffield United, Chengdu）
  许多玩家在FM中喜欢使用4后卫。按照我的习惯，我得改改这个战术。我一直都喜欢用强力Wingback来为进攻提供支持的总体思想。所以，当Buxton告诉我他准备使用的战术的雏形后。我将其进行改造，它的表现实在是太使人惊讶了
  我会将这个帖子分成数个部分。每个回复都将是关于这个战术的各个特点。这样，我就能尽可能的给出关于我的队伍和阵型的详细情况以及战术的微调。这样大家会更容易理解这套战术。
  如同你所看到的一样，这套站位能覆盖球场的大部分地方。在进攻的时候它会调整为类似于3-4-3，因为Wingback的心态非常高。而当在防守时候，后撤成为5-4-1。所有好的阵型在进攻和防守时都有应该呈现出2个不同的站位。（即跑位幅度比较大）高自由度并且在需要的时候能呈现出不同的站位。这是我选择阵型的一个很重要的因素。
  在我继续之前我觉得我最好先点出这个阵型并没有利用FM引擎的弱点.所以，别跟我叨叨这鬼话（这段不敢保证正确。。。没办法。。鬼子爱面子。。。）
  3个DC的任务很简单。就是单纯的防守。2个Wingback则要肩负进攻和防守的任务。
  中场球员是纯攻击型的，因为我一直想改变大家的普遍想法：“没有一个控制住球的球员你是不可能胜利的”所以，为了这个原因。我选择不要任何球员去控球。
   2个边翼的任务不相同，一个更多成为一个射手，去经可能的的分。而另外一个则是传中者。他的任务是组织进攻。
   前锋则是主要得分者，就象其他任何单前锋一样。不过，他还需要参加一点进攻的组织所以他还能提供不少的助攻。
我会在后面更详细的介绍这部分的战术。
  队伍指令全部是默认的。应为针对每个球员都有单独的指令。节奏，后防位置，和浪费时间都会在每场比赛之间具体设置。这些都是会随时改变的设置。这个战术更着重于发挥出该战术的最大为例，而不是一成不变的懒人战术。再此之前，我为大家展示了很多设置好的整体战术，但是在论坛上，我并没有看到太多告诉你如何微调一个战术并发挥他最大威力的方法。所以，我希望这个能带大家了解这种方法。  
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[ 本帖最后由 帝陨 于 2008-5-17 14:59 编辑 ]

帝陨

防守 当后卫线上有5名球员的时候，Wingback就可以比较放心的进攻了。因为该战术中3个DC直线站位。他能在2个Wingback 进攻的时候保证后防的稳固。3个DC的任务是建筑起一条稳健的后方线在Wingback被打空档时阻止任何对手的快速反击。
这里是我使用的防守设置。
3个DC的设置都是一样的。当然如果你想的话，你可以把2个边位的DC设置为盯人中卫。我经常这样，只是我现在的这3个DC实在不是盯人中卫的好选择。。。。
我同样也比较喜欢混合传球，这样我的控球率会强一点。不过我同样不相信我那3个中卫的决断和传球路线的选择。。。。如果你发现3个DC同时在追球而可能失位的话，把他们的心态和压迫稍微调低些。这样可能比较好点。不过一般来说他们的设置都是没问题的。


[ 本帖最后由 帝陨 于 2008-5-17 15:00 编辑 ]

帝陨

这个是右Wingback的设置。
如同你们所看到的一样。他的心态是普通的最后一格。他被要求带球突破，因为他的盘带有15点。当你看到WBL时，你就会发现有很大的不同了。
如果赛前我的队伍不被看好。那么我可能会要求他前插稍微谨慎些。但是我可能是联赛中最强的队伍。。所以这个问题几乎是不纯在的。所以，WBR你就找到机会就前插吧，顺便带几个助攻来。这很令人鼓舞哦~

[ 本帖最后由 帝陨 于 2008-5-17 14:57 编辑 ]

帝陨

这是WBL的设置
大家可以看出，他会谨慎很多那是因为与WBR相比，他在前插助攻方面要差些。当然他也可以更进攻点。不过那样会导致左路防守的漏洞，而且还会影响到AML的表现。他们的设置和战术都是息息相关的！我并不是太在乎左路的位置重叠。应为我希望边翼能提供传中（怎么觉得跟他说的上句有点矛盾啊。。。。。）
这个WB并不紧盯人因为他不被要求经常的前插。所以我真的不需要他去实施紧逼盯人，除非我要求他参与更多的进攻。（作者的意思可能是说，除非需要的参与攻击的时候才需要他加紧盯人来弥补他弥补可能出现的失位和空档）我让WBR紧逼盯人，这样可以帮助他归位。特别因为他经常会失位，被对手打空档。这样也能让他更多的中途抢断，形成一次快速攻击。


[ 本帖最后由 帝陨 于 2008-5-17 15:21 编辑 ]

帝陨

中场有很多种设置双中场的方法如果你喜欢的话。你可以使用2个控球中场，一个控球一个进攻中场。2个进攻中场。诸如此类。我选择使用一个偏进攻的中场和一名相对攻守平均的中场。不过这个攻守平衡的MC在每场比赛的时候都需要针对对手特别设置。不过他从来不会被我设置为防守心态的说。。。我只会让他更多的攻击。
MC参加攻击很容易在对手的快速攻击中失位。不过我愿意冒这个风险。应为我选择的战术每个都有自己的缺点，并且针对这些战术的调试都在于你希望比赛的打法和你期待的成绩。我没有指望过几乎所有队员都参加攻击还不被打空档的。。。


[ 本帖最后由 帝陨 于 2008-5-17 15:28 编辑 ]

帝陨

左边MC的设置（就是作者所说的那个攻守平衡的MC）
这个设置是我用的最舒服的设置了。每个选项都很标准了。其他的，你自己按胃口来吧。


[ 本帖最后由 帝陨 于 2008-5-17 15:32 编辑 ]

帝陨

进攻
我估计这里的介绍会吸引更多的注意相比起前面防守的介绍。。
右边前卫的设置。
他基本是我的第2前锋。特别是当你看到他的进球数的时候。。。有些人可能认为他的设置很稀奇古怪（SB作者把bizarre还拼错了。。。。）其实不是这样的。这样设置他的原因是让他更多的进球而不是传中或者传球。他的一些进球会是左边前卫的传中或者禁区内远角处的捡漏


[ 本帖最后由 帝陨 于 2008-5-17 15:40 编辑 ]

帝陨

左边锋的设置
同样的他和右边的设置不一样。特别是心态方面。应为我的右边前卫是进攻型的我需要给他更多的进攻心态。
左边锋的任务是传中，就是如此简单。我不指望他能进多少球。毕竟那不是他的任务。虽然说我的前锋不是队中最高的，也不算空霸，我还是需要质量好的传中。应为，如果前锋错过了，还有很大的机会，右边锋能捡漏哦。


[ 本帖最后由 帝陨 于 2008-5-17 15:47 编辑 ]

帝陨

前锋的设置

说实话，他的设置都很普通。我所想要他做的任务就是进球或者传给位置更好的人（废话。。。还能要求什么？）所以这是一个能进球能助攻的前锋


[ 本帖最后由 帝陨 于 2008-5-17 15:50 编辑 ]

帝陨

哈哈```翻译了一个小时终于好了``大家多捧场啊~~~~~~~~~~~

涅磐重生

其实我也很想尝试一下翻译。。。。。。。。支持一个