313破解版，没cg没声音，其他正常，win10 64~求大神帮忙

rainkeeper

置顶帖子的办法全都用了，dx各种修复更新，重新装的显卡驱动，重新下游戏什么的办法都试过了，游戏文件夹里的视频文件默认用的播放器是可以播的，就是出不来cg和声音，cg就算了，没声音玩着真的感觉差好多，求大神帮忙，一晚上也没解决掉~~求助

peijian

http://game.ali213.net/thread-5986070-1-1.html   有问题看置顶，置顶更新了

peijian

游戏目录下的DX装了吧。

新手08

回楼主，我也是各种方法用遍无用，最后用了游戏下载文件里自带的dx安装，成功了。

rainkeeper

游戏里自带的dx装的时候提示已经有更新的版本不需要安装了，置顶更新的解码器也下了，也不行啊，啊啊啊啊啊~~~

~轻尘~

rainkeeper 发表于 2016-1-29 00:36
游戏里自带的dx装的时候提示已经有更新的版本不需要安装了，置顶更新的解码器也下了，也不行啊，啊啊啊啊啊 ...

并不是最新版本DX就最好的，三国志13貌似对旧版本的DX支持比较好些，你试试装一下游戏文件的那个DX吧

rainkeeper

~轻尘~ 发表于 2016-1-29 14:05
并不是最新版本DX就最好的，三国志13貌似对旧版本的DX支持比较好些，你试试装一下游戏文件的那个DX吧
...

我也想卸载了重装，可是网上没查到卸载win10 dx的办法额...今天又重装一次下载文件夹里的dx，提示无法安装，具体原因查看dx.log，然后里面这么写的：01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_24_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_24.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.5.132.0
        Source file is Version 9.5.132.0
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_24.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_25_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_25.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.6.168.0
        Source file is Version 9.6.168.0
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_25.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_26_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_26.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.7.239.0
        Source file is Version 9.7.239.0
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_26.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_27_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_27.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.8.299.0
        Source file is Version 9.8.299.0
01/29/16 16:12:44: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_27.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_28_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_28.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.10.455.0
        Source file is Version 9.10.455.0
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_28.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_29_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_29.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.11.519.0
        Source file is Version 9.11.519.0
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_29.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_0.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.11.519.0
        Source file is Version 9.11.519.0
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_0.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_0.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.11.519.0
        Source file is Version 9.11.519.0
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_0.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_30_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_30.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.12.589.0
        Source file is Version 9.12.589.0
01/29/16 16:12:45: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_30.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT2_1_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_1.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.12.589.0
        Source file is Version 9.12.589.0
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_1.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_0.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.11.519.0
        Source file is Version 9.11.519.0
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_0.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\xinput1_1_x64.inf [Install_Driver]
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xinput1_1.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.12.589.0
        Source file is Version 9.12.589.0
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xinput1_1.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT2_2_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_2.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.13.644.0
        Source file is Version 9.13.644.0
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_2.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_0.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.11.519.0
        Source file is Version 9.11.519.0
01/29/16 16:12:46: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_0.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\xinput1_2_x64.inf [Install_Driver]
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xinput1_2.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.14.701.0
        Source file is Version 9.14.701.0
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xinput1_2.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT2_3_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_3.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.14.701.0
        Source file is Version 9.14.701.0
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_3.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_0.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.11.519.0
        Source file is Version 9.11.519.0
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_0.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_31_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_31.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.15.779.0
        Source file is Version 9.15.779.0
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_31.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT2_4_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_4.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.15.779.0
        Source file is Version 9.15.779.0
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_4.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_1.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.15.779.0
        Source file is Version 9.15.779.0
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Currently C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_1.dll is newer than the one being installed.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_32_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_32.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.16.843.0
        Source file is Version 9.16.843.0
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_32.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx10_00_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.16.843.0
        Source file is Version 9.16.843.0
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT2_5_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_5.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.16.857.0
        Source file is Version 9.16.857.0
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_5.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_1.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.15.779.0
        Source file is Version 9.15.779.0
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Currently C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_1.dll is newer than the one being installed.
01/29/16 16:12:47: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT2_6_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_6.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.17.892.0
        Source file is Version 9.17.892.0
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_6.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_1.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.15.779.0
        Source file is Version 9.15.779.0
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Currently C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_1.dll is newer than the one being installed.
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_33_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_33.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.18.904.15
        Source file is Version 9.18.904.15
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_33.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx10_33_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10_33.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.18.904.21
        Source file is Version 9.18.904.21
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10_33.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\D3DCompiler_33.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.18.904.15
        Source file is Version 9.18.904.15
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\D3DCompiler_33.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT2_7_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_7.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.18.944.0
        Source file is Version 9.18.944.0
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_7.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_1.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.15.779.0
        Source file is Version 9.15.779.0
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_1.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\xinput1_3_x64.inf [Install_Driver]
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xinput1_3.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.18.944.0
        Source file is Version 9.18.944.0
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xinput1_3.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_34_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_34.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.949.46
        Source file is Version 9.19.949.46
01/29/16 16:12:48: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_34.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx10_34_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10_34.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.949.46
        Source file is Version 9.19.949.46
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10_34.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\D3DCompiler_34.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.949.46
        Source file is Version 9.19.949.46
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\D3DCompiler_34.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT2_8_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_8.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.1007.0
        Source file is Version 9.19.1007.0
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_8.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_2.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.21.1148.0
        Source file is Version 9.19.1007.0
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_35_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_35.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.949.1104
        Source file is Version 9.19.949.1104
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_35.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx10_35_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10_35.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.949.1104
        Source file is Version 9.19.949.1104
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10_35.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\D3DCompiler_35.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.949.1104
        Source file is Version 9.19.949.1104
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\D3DCompiler_35.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT2_9_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_9.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.20.1057.0
        Source file is Version 9.20.1057.0
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_9.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\x3daudio1_2.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.21.1148.0
        Source file is Version 9.20.1057.0
01/29/16 16:12:49: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx9_36_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_36.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.949.2111
        Source file is Version 9.19.949.2111
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx9_36.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx10_36_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10_36.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.949.2009
        Source file is Version 9.19.949.2009
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10_36.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\D3DCompiler_36.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.949.2111
        Source file is Version 9.19.949.2111
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\D3DCompiler_36.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\X3DAudio1_2_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\X3DAudio1_2.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.21.1148.0
        Source file is Version 9.21.1148.0
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\X3DAudio1_2.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT2_10_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_10.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.21.1148.0
        Source file is Version 9.21.1148.0
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine2_10.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\D3DX9_37_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\D3DX9_37.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.22.949.2248
        Source file is Version 9.22.949.2248
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\D3DX9_37.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\d3dx10_37_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10_37.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.19.949.2185
        Source file is Version 9.19.949.2185
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\d3dx10_37.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\D3DCompiler_37.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.22.949.2248
        Source file is Version 9.22.949.2248
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\D3DCompiler_37.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\X3DAudio1_3_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\X3DAudio1_3.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.22.1284.0
        Source file is Version 9.22.1284.0
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\X3DAudio1_3.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XACT3_0_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\xactengine3_0.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.22.1284.0
        Source file is Version 9.22.1284.0
01/29/16 16:12:50: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\xactengine3_0.dll have been installed already.
01/29/16 16:12:51: infinst: Installing C:\Users\ADMINI~1\AppData\Local\Temp\DX1369.tmp\XAudio2_0_x64.inf [DefaultInstall]
01/29/16 16:12:51: infinst: Target file: 'C:\Windows\system32\XAudio2_0.dll'
        Target file is Version 9.22.1284.0
        Source file is Version 9.22.1284.0
01/29/16 16:12:51: infinst: C:\Windows\system32\XAudio2_0.dll have been installed already.

ozyaru

我装了快播已经有cg，有声音了，以前装什么都不行，试了下居然成功。

rainkeeper

ozyaru 发表于 2016-1-29 19:08
我装了快播已经有cg，有声音了，以前装什么都不行，试了下居然成功。

著名的快播救你于水火了吗- -？我试试看~

高山空谷

peijian 发表于 2016-1-28 23:55
游戏目录下的DX装了吧。

就只有6个文件呀？游戏目录下的DX没有呀？

peijian

高山空谷 发表于 2016-1-31 19:52
就只有6个文件呀？游戏目录下的DX没有呀？

有。仔细每个包每个包的打开看。

peijian

rainkeeper 发表于 2016-1-29 00:36
游戏里自带的dx装的时候提示已经有更新的版本不需要安装了，置顶更新的解码器也下了，也不行啊，啊啊啊啊啊 ...

提示了更新，也要装。

7758258max

下个direct 修复工具 一键搞定 就这么简单

Allenby

試試這個

http://game.ali213.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=5992219&page=1#pid104907994