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原帖由 lastyear 于 2010-5-13 12:51 发表 
我觉得还是兄弟连的故事情节更紧凑，都是围绕E连展开。太平洋给人感觉，很零碎。
是嘛 给你看看汤姆汉克斯关于太平洋的访谈和尤金扮演者与一些观众的讨论
Tom Hanks谈论《The Pacific》
TP与BOB的不同之处
“最大的不同之处在于取材”Hanks解释道，“拍BOB时我们有Stephen Ambrose的著作《兄弟连》，一部口述的历史，几乎是一篇学术论文。而这回我们挑选的三个故事----Eugene Sledge的《With the Old Breed 》（PS：这本书在北美亚马逊有售：http://www.amazon.com/Old-Breed-At-Peleliu-Okinawa/dp/0195067142），也许是至今最好的战斗回忆录，它非常的个人化，充满了对生活的感悟和希望。Robert Leckie的战斗回忆录《Helmet On My Pillow》（PS：北美亚马逊也有卖的），则更像是一个诗人的作品，讲述了人在年轻、充满活力时却卷入了一场残酷的战争到底是一种什么滋味。John Basilone的故事则或多或少取自于公开的文献记录。”
“但是我要说的是，TP与BOB的区别就像那两个战场（欧洲战场和太平洋战场）的概念的区别----欧洲，各地区界限在地图上明明白白，各地之间的停战协议也一直在遵守（这句不知道翻的对不对，按字面意思翻出来读不通，只能按我的意会翻了）。总的来说，二战中的欧洲战场是最后一场交战双方来决定何时开战何时休战的战争，在欧洲战场，一个敌方士兵举手投降，他的战争就结束了。而太平洋战争则是我们前所未见的，那是一场带有种族偏见和令人恐怖的战争，一场没有任何约束的战争，在战场上和战场下都是。在开拍之前，我们面临的挑战是：把普通人放在地狱里走一遭，想象他们面临的处境，以及当他们回来时面对的世界。”
太平洋V欧洲
Hanks说太平洋战争并不像欧战那样华丽、引人注目。“总的来说，观众在没有了解瓜岛和贝里琉岛战役的历史背景的情况下，他们很难对瓜岛和贝里琉岛战役提起兴趣。我们的制作团队中有人认为介绍背景纯粹是浪费时间，因为一旦我们融入了那段历史，背景也就很明显了。”
Hanks承认“老实说，TP并不是面对大多数观众，我想说的是，观众想看优雅的叙事手法可以去看欧洲的战争，特别是解放巴黎的战役。登陆诺曼底、跨过莱茵河深入德国、最终攻下柏林。但太平洋战争并不属于这样的叙事手法。你来告诉我关于贝里琉战役什么重要？好吧，我们确定一下关于贝里琉、瓜岛、冲绳岛等等什么重要。当《拯救大兵瑞恩》的故事发生时，一百英里以外就是埃菲尔铁塔；而贝里琉战役发生时一百英里以外是什么都没有的浩瀚的太平洋。所以两者在认知上有很大区别。这也是为什么在TP里，我们要用到这三个陆战队员的很多个人的故事。他们身处何地、打什么仗、内心受怎样的煎熬对我们观众来说并不重要，重要的是这些对他们自己而言意味着什么。”Hanks对本剧的叙事手法如此解释道。
“我并不将二战或者其他战争看做是详细的、有限的、开放和仅限于少数人（OPEN和CLOSED各自有很多含义，但把两个词摆在一起字面上似乎是矛盾的，所以这里的翻译还有待商榷）的故事。人们执着于在战争中考察人的方方面面，”Tom Hanks指出。“在战争中你可以看到人性最好的一面，也可以看到最坏的一面。你可以通过观察长期的谋划战略背后的真知灼见，同时看到必然和偶然带来的结果。你可以看到表现信念的伟大时刻，你也可以看到表现绝望的伟大时刻。毫无疑问的是，我们制作TP就有点像军事频道一样叙述和检视太平洋战争。”
尤金扮演者与观众的讨论 ：
我把我那个帖子里面尤金扮演者Joe facebook上面他本人关于太平洋方面问题的留言转一些过来，大家也可以看看演员本身对太平洋的想法
我的翻译水平不高，望大家见谅～～！
—Joe Mazzello：The Pacific episode 6 tonight at 9 here in the USA. Please watch!
Duke Harless: Caught it, the best so far. Just a comment on the series, I would have been happy if they would have just made the entire series based on Sledge... not all the jumping around like it is now.
—Joe Mazzello:Aw thank you Duke! There is very very little jumping around in the next 3 episodes.
Brian Johnson: OMG that airfield crossing was the most intense battle scene ever!
—Joe Mazzello: it took about 3 weeks to shoot
—Joe Mazzello：美国今晚9点播映太平洋第六集，敬请观看！
Duke Harless: 看了，目前为止最好的一集，如果制作方将整个剧集都是根据尤金这个角色创作的话我会更喜欢，而不是像现在这样各个主要角色跳来跳去的演
—Joe Mazzello:谢谢Duke! 在接下来的三集里面只有很少在主角间跳跃着拍的戏
Brian Johnson: OMG！那场穿越飞机场的戏是目前最激烈的战争戏
—Joe Mazzello: 这场戏花了差不多三个星期来拍的。
—Joe Mazzello: What did everybody think? They cut out my first smoking scene (which happened in episode 5) so when I smoke in ep 6 i look like I've done it before for no reason! boo.
Farah Farhanah Rozali: I have a question -- the running time is still the same, but the episodes are noticeably shorter than Band of Brothers, so do you think that the cut scenes will ever be released in an 'extended cut' version or something?
—Joe Mazzello: I wish they would Farah, cause there is a lot of great stuff that was cut out, but I doubt it.
—Joe Mazzello: 大家觉得怎么样？制作方把我第一个吸烟的镜头减掉了（本应该出现在第五集中的），所以第六集里面的我抽烟的镜头显得很莫名，就好像以前抽过烟似的，嘘！（表达他对删减镜头的不满）
Farah Farhanah Rozali: 我有一个问题：太平洋片长和兄弟连是一样的，但是每一集实际的时间（应该是说把片头片尾，前情提要还有tom hanks的解说去掉的时间）比兄弟连要少很多。那你觉得删减情节会被收录到延长版本或其他版本的（DVD）里面吗？
—Joe Mazzello: 我希望他们可以收录进去，Farah。因为有太多精彩镜头被剪掉了，不过我不确定。
Kaydee Tha Lady：Hey Joe- what does that ring on your character's finger mean, or will that come later?or is it just a ring?
—Joe Mazzello：It was a ring that Sledge wore. I think it was a family ring but I can't remember the reason. Maybe I’ll ask the family cause now I'm curious too. Good eye!
Elena Sledge:I asked my dad about this and he said it was grandpa's Murphy High School class ring.
Kaydee Tha Lady：嗨，Joe，你饰演的尤金手上戴的戒指有什么特殊意义吗？还是说之后的剧情会交代，或者就只是个戒指而已？
—Joe Mazzello：这是尤金戴过的戒指。我认为这是个家族戒指不过我不记得具体是怎么回事，也许我会去问问sledge家的人因为我也很好奇。好眼力！
Elena Sledge（她是尤金的孙女）:我问过我父亲，他说这是爷爷在Murphy高中的毕业戒指。（怪不得Eugene和sid都带戒指，呵呵）
—Joe Mazzello： Episode seven is on tonight in the USA! Please watch! It may just be the best episode of the entire series (but I'll probably say that again about episode 9)
—Joe Mazzello： 美国今晚播映第七集，敬请观看！这估计是整个迷你剧中最好的一集(不过等到第九集的时候我可能还会说同样的话）
—Joe Mazzello： I'd love to know what the east coasters thought.
Daniel Clark： What about the west coasters? It was a decent episode, but I think the writers put too much psychological effects into the episode. Normally those effects would not hit until post-combat, unless you go into complete shock (Ie the first episode at alligator creek).
—Joe Mazzello: Daniel I only mentioned east coasters cause it hadn't aired on the west coast yet. Also Daniel, you should read Sledge'ѕ（和谐） book. All those psychological effects were VERY real and happened DURING combat.
Daniel Clark： Joe, I think the hardest job any screen writer has is showing the emotions of those in combat as it happened. Dr. Sledge wrote hiѕ（和谐） book after the fact and it is hard to know the exact feelings at the time. I served with the Marines as a corpsman for many years with 4 deployments to Iraq. So, I witnessed the psych effects of combat first hand and it... See More just felt like in the episode post combat effects were presented while currently in combat. Either way, you did an amazing job in the series. 10/10.
—Joe Mazzello: Thank you for your service Daniel. People don't realize how difficult and dangerous a corpsman's job is. Sledge talked about them many times in his book and how beloved they were by their fellow marine. All I know, having not served, is what I learned in doing research for this miniseries and reading Sledge's book and talking to his family, and I ... See Moreknow that the men he served with, who read his memoir, found it to be the most authentic depiction of an enlisted man's experience they've ever read. There could be a generational difference, or a training difference, or a technology difference, a geographic difference or just the way wars are fought 60 years later that makes the difference, but what i can say is that The Pacific's depiction of war and the effects it has especially in this episode were very true to the book of the man who served in this battle. And I trust what he says about it 100%
Daniel Clark Thanks Joe, I am going to rewatch the episode with a bit of a different perspective this time. You are right there are too many differences to make assumptions about yesterday's actions, emotions, and/or feelings with today's. I did the one thing I hate about some historians and that is use revisionism. Thanks for setting me straight, Joe. I cannot wait for episode 8.
—Joe Mazzello Daniel, its great to hear your opinions. I love hearing from active duty guys and vets. We made this thing (or i did at least) to honor guys like you and guys like my grandfather who served in The Pacific. Even if certain things seem suspect to you, I hope you are enjoying the show, and know that we gave our hearts and souls to it completely.
—Joe Mazzello 我想知道东海岸的观众们觉得（第七集）怎么样？
Daniel Clark：那西海岸呢？这集很不错，不过我认为编剧在这集里对（战争对）心理的影响着墨过多，通常这种影响是在战后才显现的，除非你是完全崩溃了（比如第一集在鳄鱼湾那块）
—Joe Mazzello: Daniel，我只提到东海岸是因为在西海岸还没播呢。而且Daniel, 你应该看看尤金的那本回忆录.所有的这些心理影响都是非常真实的而且都是发生在战争过程中的。
Daniel Clark：Joe, 我认为所有编剧面临的最困难的是如何将战争发生时的真实情感表现出来. 斯莱治医生（尤金）是在战后写的这本书，所以很难知道在战争当时的实际情感。我在海军陆战队担任医务兵很多年with 4 deployments to Iraq（这块不知道怎么翻，根据部署去过四次伊拉克？）. 所以我亲眼看到过战争带来的心理影响，我只是觉得在这集里面战后创伤（类似于PTSD）都是在战争中显现出来的。总之，你在剧里表现的很出色，10分满分.
—Joe Mazzello: 谢谢你为国家服役，Daniel.人们没有意识到医务兵的工作有多么难多么危险。尤金在书中多次提到过医务兵以及他们是多么受到同行海军陆战队士兵们的爱戴。因为没有服役过，所有我所知道的都是来源于我为这个迷你剧做调查时所学到的以及通过读尤金的书，与他家人交谈所得到的。读过尤金回忆录的与他一同服役的士兵，认为这是他们读到过的对一个服役军人经历最真实的描写
可能是因为年代不同，训练的区别或者战术（技术）的区别，地理位置的不同或者就是60年后战争战斗的形式造成了这些差异, 不过我敢说在《太平洋》中对战争以及战争所造成的影响的描写（特别是在第七集中的），根据这位参加过这场战斗的战士的书来看是非常真实的。我也百分之百相信他所说的。
Daniel Clark：谢谢Joe, 我这回会从一个略微不同的视角再把这集看一遍。你说对了，用如今的行为，情感和/或感觉来臆断以前的行为，情感和/或感觉会有很多不同。
我做了我所讨厌的一些历史学家所做的，即revisionism（不会翻，用如今的想法来推测以前的想法？修正法？）。谢谢你纠正我，Joe。等不及想看第八集。
—Joe Mazzello：Daniel, 很高兴听到你的意见. 我喜欢听到来自现役士兵和老兵的想法。我们为了对像你们以及像我祖父那样参加过太平洋战争的士兵表示敬意而制作的这个剧集（至少我是这么认为的）。虽然有些情节对你来说看起来有些可疑，我还是希望你能喜欢这个电视剧，知道我们是全心全意地来做这个剧。
（我一直不觉得太平洋就是讲反战的，汉克斯也说了参加过太平洋战争的士兵在看过兄弟连后就反映为什么没有拍我们。。。。）
—Joe Mazzello： About the nurse thing, Sledge explains that moment in his memoir, which i highly recommend if you are enjoying the show.
Its hard to explain. I liken it to someone watching their mother die in a horrible car accident and then at the funeral someone they don't really know coming up to them and asking "Ya feeling better yet?" a little cup of water from a pretty girl is such an inadequate consolation for going through 2 months of hell.
And on another level, he hated them, he hated their pureness and innocence and naivete in a place like Pavuvu. He hated that he could never feel that way again, the way they do, after what he had seen. He could never go back to the innocent a pure guy that HE was. And lastly he didn't recognize them. They were like aliens. They didn't fit amongst the muck the death and brutality of war, which was all he knew anymore. It was like he was seeing a girl for the first time. Hope that helps. It was the first scene I shot of the whole show
Jmar Gambol： wait WHAT? that your first scene?
Kyle Yuttho Kien：Wow, an actor that really replies back!??!?!? That's amazing! lol
—Joe Mazzello： yes it was the very first scene was shot. Sadly because of logistics we had to shoot the episodes out of order
—Joe Mazzello：关于（第七集最后的)护士的那段情节,尤金在他的回忆录里解释了那个事，我强烈推荐喜欢这个电视剧的观众去看这本回忆录。这个很难说清楚，我觉得这就像某人看到自己的母亲死于一次可怕的车祸而在之后的葬礼上一个他们并不熟的人走过来说“嘿，觉得好点了吗”。一个漂亮姑娘递过来的一小杯水对于在地狱中呆过2个月的士兵们是远远不够的慰藉。而在另一层面上讲，尤金厌恶他们，厌恶在pavuvu这种地方他们能保持心灵的纯净，厌恶他们的单纯和天真.他憎恨是因为他在经历战争中所看到的一切之后，他再也不会像有像他们一样的感觉。他再也不是之前那个单纯天真的男孩了，也不可能回到那个状态。最后一点是，他不认识他们，他们就像外星人一样。他们融不进这个由死亡和战争的残酷兽性堆积而成的淤泥里，这也是尤金所能感觉到的全部。就好像他第一次见到女孩一样.希望这能有所帮助。这是我在这整部剧中拍摄的第一个镜头
Jmar Gambol：等等，什么，这是你拍的第一场戏？
—Joe Mazzello：是的，这是我拍的第一个镜头，很可惜因为物流（后勤）的原因，我们不能按照集数顺序来拍这部剧。（ZT）
其实 太平洋已经很不错了 如果老是拿它和BOB比较真没什么意思，我是觉得没有谁比谁好，哪个不如哪个............. |
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