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[讨论] Shockwave关于三个新将军的平衡性说明  关闭 [复制链接]

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发表于 2007-8-30 23:44:44 |只看该作者 |倒序浏览
Ok everyone, I know we have a few couple lists already, but I've seen a few other good posts which I think a lot of members will miss unless they happened to be reading the specific threads so I posted them here. (Note: this thread is NOT about suggesting balance or which General is better; its only purpose is to inform everyone on the latest information regarding balance). I'll keep on adding important posts as I see more information that I think looks useful. Feel free to PM me--I'll be reading comments here, but I always get to PMs a lot faster so that'd make things a lot easier on both of us (me and whoever points me to new info).

EDIT: Shortened the intro text and changed the color for each general. I also changed the topic title...what the heck was I typing when I made this thing?

Ironside



Advantages:
  • Powerful tanks.
  • Mammoth tanks (must I really say more?).
  • More armor = durability.
  • His tanks are almost unmatched (note the word almost)
  • Based on what I've read (someone correct me if I'm wrong), a lot of his replacement units are much stronger and heavily armored (although it has to make a few sacrifices). For example, Bradley is stronger and more heavily armored than Humvee, but Infantry can't shoot out. F-16 is stronger and more powerful than stealth fighter, no stealth, Blackwidow is more powerful but no AA. (You get the picture...)
  • Has a China-like variety: he has a variety of different units to take on different roles. (Such as the Vulcan Tank and Tank Destroyer)
  • Sniper Burton that damages vehicles.
Disadvantages:
  • More of a rusher.
  • Most inherent (and obvious) weakness is his economy.
  • Has a separate building for his radar.
  • Units are painfully slow
  • Defenses are a pain--they take up a lot of space and need to be built on concrete slabs, and they each perform different functions. (Kinda like C&C 3--you have AA, AI, and AT all separate).
  • Requires lots of microing.
  • Has no snipers beside Burton.
  • Artillery doesn't come until Level 3.
  • Lacks Auroras and Comanches.
General
  • More of a rusher.
  • In short, he's very powerful on the ground and (as Mathias said) unrivaled up to Kwai. (And lets not forget Deathstrike has some good weapons)...


Leang



Advantages:
  • Has a ton of special tech.
  • Some units have a variety of roles, making them able to adapt to several situations (like the Black Shark for example. I'll let you read what Mathias posted below at the bottom of my source list).
  • Units that have single fill their roles with "terrifying power" (hammer/anvil/ravage/etc.)
  • Has units that can go up-close or attack at a distance
  • Flame Tank, Phoenix Bombers, Anvils, Black Sharks...must I say more than "Flame Tank" with White Napalm?
  • Personal speculation: seems a lot of units start with upgrades. (For example, Gatling Outpost starts with chaingun; flame tanks start with black napalm, that's what I know off the top of my head, and I'm guessing more are going to come).
Disadvantages:
  • Many of her units are counterable, meaning you're going to be doing the same to your enemy (countering them)
  • Most vulnerable to rushing
  • Mostly powerful in longer games
  • Can't spam like China
General:
  • Plays like USA: relies heavily on special tech. you need to know how to use.

Deathstrike



Advantages:
  • Powerful units.
  • Powerful defenses, although AA and AG are separate. (Citing Post #89)
  • Basilisk. (Need I say more? Warning: is slow as hell)
  • (Direct rip from Mathias): takes things from other Generals--air lifting, MRLs, big tanks, etc.--and does it swiftly and stealthfully.
  • Blends a lot of strengths from the USA/China--his units are quite powerful.
  • Have Airforce problems? Gadfly (I'll leave it at that, since so many people rightfully hate Air)
Disadvantages:
  • Expensive units, especially for GLA
  • His units need to be salvaged before they've reached their full potential. (Mathias confirmed that, everyone)
  • Has fewer cheap tricks than GLA
  • He can't set up like GLA
  • His tactics are more direct
General:
  • Plays much more like China; relies less on hit-and-run but he can spam expensive units.
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发表于 2007-8-31 01:48:10 |只看该作者
原帖由 海洛因 于 2007-8-31 00:50 发表
“Leang更像美国阵营,Deathstrike更像中国阵营”
我不太喜欢这个设计

Deathstrike看资料确实是靠机械海坦克战术堆出来的

LEANG……觉得可能是个中国的亚历山大将军……不过亚历山大是阿尔法曙光,她是火龙曙光

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板凳
发表于 2007-8-31 09:12:30 |只看该作者
只要赶快发布 怎么地都可以 我等的要疯了

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发表于 2007-8-31 09:38:20 |只看该作者
大侠翻译一下呀,,,,,,,,,,,,鸟语看不懂呀,,,,,,,,,

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发表于 2007-8-31 09:40:34 |只看该作者

回复 #4 ed269 的帖子

我们等的和你一样疯^^^^^^^^^^
原来据说 如果不是8月份的话 就是9月12号左右放出^^^^^^等 我等 ^^^^^^^^^^
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发表于 2007-8-31 10:08:47 |只看该作者
铁杆将军迷,不得不顶一次了

就等着这个MOD发布了,其他游戏一律不玩也不装,严阵以待

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发表于 2007-8-31 11:27:22 |只看该作者
原帖由 核武将军 于 2007-8-31 09:40 发表
我们等的和你一样疯^^^^^^^^^^
原来据说 如果不是8月份的话 就是9月12号左右放出^^^^^^等 我等 ^^^^^^^^^^

核武兄弟,你确定是9.12发布??

如果是的话太好了,,,,,,,,,,,

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发表于 2007-8-31 12:14:11 |只看该作者
muhahaha
依然在疯狂修改的路过。
202020202020

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发表于 2007-9-2 01:08:17 |只看该作者

回复 #8 ljw6229458 的帖子

不敢确定 这还是SW的官网上说的 但就那还是诸如“期待”“应该”之类的话……………………
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发表于 2008-1-22 13:21:56 |只看该作者
Ironside



Advantages:
Powerful tanks.


这样的啊……坦克将军是不是被无视了。难道坦克将军不是Powerful tanks.????????????

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发表于 2008-1-23 09:05:58 |只看该作者
9月份?
有点晚了,不过先玩玩凯恩之怒也不错
最恨等待了。。。
First they came for the Communists,
  and I didn’t speak up,
    because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
  and I didn’t speak up,
    because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
  and I didn’t speak up,
    because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
  and by that time there was no one
    left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

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发表于 2008-1-23 11:26:21 |只看该作者
最恨等待?那你自己做好了!无需任何等待!!!!

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发表于 2008-1-23 21:26:33 |只看该作者
原帖由 红马甲 于 2008-1-23 11:26 发表
最恨等待?那你自己做好了!无需任何等待!!!!


我晕,也许是我的理解有问题吧

主要是以前等暗黑3和SC2等的心都死了

养成了一个不好的习惯,一看到等待的时间自己就很郁闷
First they came for the Communists,
  and I didn’t speak up,
    because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
  and I didn’t speak up,
    because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
  and I didn’t speak up,
    because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
  and by that time there was no one
    left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

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发表于 2008-1-23 21:31:01 |只看该作者
前面的几位,这是去年9月的帖,你们掘什么坟啊...特别是11楼的老兄,掘坟高手啊
熊叔一路走好

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15#
发表于 2008-3-9 23:32:47 |只看该作者
貌似改进很多
Plays like USA: relies heavily on special tech. you need to know how to use.

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