无冬1越玩越觉得2代搓

穿上马甲

1代原先机子差玩不了，换了机子倒是先玩了2，感觉也就一般。上周耗时间载了1的钻石版，结果一发不可收拾。对于我这个向来慢慢玩游戏的人花了3到4天就通了原版剧情，可以说这几天算是沉迷了。
2代我原版剧情也是慢慢花了半个月拖到了建设要塞那，结果玩不下去了。这回如此沉迷的玩1代，原先自己都想不到。1代我是越玩越觉得2代太搓啊。一开始也就觉得1代还行，慢慢玩下去，和2代做下对比，发觉2代真的是搓太多了。随便建了个圣武士然后兼托姆。一路砍下来，打击感十足，就连闪避等动作都能完美的表现。相比2代那破动作和打击感，给人的差别太大了。
2代的前期亮点就是审判为自己辩护，原先没玩1时觉的还不错，玩了1后，才发现是1代2个审判任务的加强版罢了。
1代原版就是佣兵系统比较差，今天刚刚开始玩幽城魔影，发现佣兵系统大大加强，给了我不少惊喜。2代毕竟不是BIOWARE亲手操刀，还是有差距啊。

rockyboy00

单论剧情２应该比较好,　在欧美rpg里面来讲２也算是不错的剧情
２主要毛病是在优化/bug/很弱的联机.　无冬１即使现在联机的服务器还是很多,　也有很多很出色的mod,　玩家也不少.　无冬２基本处于半死状态了,　gamefaqs论坛上经常可以看到买了正版的人的抱怨.

非要两个作品比较的话,　无冬１大概还是会比较高分,　商业上来讲也是１比较成功.　２主要是受bioware被EA收购的影响,　尤其是资料片风暴,　几乎是以半成品状态出炉;　唯一的DLC西门也因为各种原因,　晚了记得是两年才正式发售.


另外暂时是不用期待新的DnD游戏出現了,　有能力做的没版权,　有版权的不具备独立开发游戏的能力,　基本上大家就烧烧纸好了.....

cynn

论剧情的话，NWN1就HotU感觉还不错，原版太平淡毫无亮点，虽然有Aribeth在撑场面，不过有好的演员没好的剧本依然白搭。SoU则有点莫名其妙。NWN2不论原版或是2个资料片的剧情整体都很不错。

论人物刻画的话，其实在细节方面NWN1的队友(不包括原版，只说2个资料片的)不会比NWN2的差，Deekin，Nathyrra，Valen相互之间都有很多有趣的对话，而且他们每个人背后的故事也都不错。2代的优点感觉是配音很多，对话时不同的语气比较容易让人代入角色中。

PS：就队友而言，Deekin最高，没有之一

PS：to 楼上，http://nwvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Hakpaks.Detail&id=7870

[ 本帖最后由 cynn 于 2010-1-20 02:28 编辑 ]

keenwolf

原帖由 ashunter 于 2010-1-3 17:59 发表
一代的mod比二代的强多了，比如PRC，增加了几十个种族和上百个职业，build的乐趣比2代大的多，法术效果和战斗动作也更好。

求地址。。。。。。。。

zhuangdiablo

这样啊…　　　　　　　
无冬区灌水组.exe

bdaabc

那是因为我是当事人，就这么简单。。。

zhuangdiablo

原帖由 bdaabc 于 2010-1-19 01:19 发表
这是因为LZ是有黑历史的。。。

你知道的太多了…　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　

bdaabc

这是因为LZ是有黑历史的。。。

zhuangdiablo

原帖由 拉格朗日 于 2010-1-18 12:41 发表
你要不别玩 要不别那么多话 有玩的不错了

第一个帖子就这样…　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　

拉格朗日

你要不别玩 要不别那么多话 有玩的不错了

Gothic90

Obs做人物的功底是非常强大的，如2005年GS年度人物Kreia：
Anyone who played Obsidian's Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords might be surprised at our choice of Kreia as best character of the year. That's because Kreia is a deeply unpleasant, highly disturbing, and incredibly hateful person - but that's why she deserves the accolade. Kreia was easily the most intriguing, complicated, enigmatic, well-designed and nuanced character in a video game this year. Spend a little time journeying with Kreia and you'll quickly realize that she's the one who gives the game's story an almost Planescape: Torment-level of gravitas (which isn't a surprise, as the two games share the same writer).

Kreia is a fallen Jedi who's fallen farther than any Jedi ever has. Not only has she gone from the Light Side to the Dark Side, she has the distinction of actually falling from the Dark Side to absolute nihilism and an everlasting hatred of life and the Force. She spends much of the game helping the player probe the ethical implications of both sides of the Force, pointing out that the world and morality are much more complicated than any simplistic "Light Side" and "Dark Side" dichotomy.

Kreia believes that all of life is formless, patternless, and futile, and that all choices lead to nothing. She's all about moral ambiguity in a realm of stark moral choices. It's up to the player to learn her lessons, then move past her to realize that her nihilism is, in the end, self-defeating and that the act of choice is what gives form and pattern to the universe. Kreia can teach a player more about basic moral philosophy and the flaws of Nietzsche in one game than a full semester in college -- and make a trip full of heavy-duty thought a whole lot of fun.

bdaabc

我看的就是GS的评论。。。

zhuangdiablo

都盖到100楼了…　　　　　　
今天人气又上100哈！

Smokemage

是不算什么好评，我不小心把颜色给错了。澳大利亚那边的看法跟你们有些接近哪……不过总的来说NWN2的剧情还是得到了极高的评价的。

你可以搜一下为什么It received GameSpot's "Best Story" award for 2006，这里GameSpot应该对整个剧情有比较具体的分析，更具体的估计很难找了。

bdaabc

rather predictable and clichéd不是什么好评吧。。。
我还是希望看看有没有具体分析，貌似为了避免剧透都没有，看来还是文化差异最后导致看法不同了，欧美那边更注重role-play，是把故事放在游戏里看和玩家的互动程度的，我们这些玩RPG像看小说一样的人是把故事单独拿出来比较的。。。
GS评价一直很诡异，评价NWN的时候挑了一堆刺，评价NWN2的时候说缺点的篇幅少多了，最后一给分NWN还高0.5。。。

zhuangdiablo

开来smoke 大哥对关于2代剧情的事情怨念很大…嘿嘿…　　

kdashworld

非常同意 8.5         Sound的打分~~~~~~~~~~~一直觉得原版里 配音太专业了，电影也不过如此。

Smokemage

再看这里：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverwinter_Nights_2

节选一段：
The storyline was widely considered one of the game's strong points and an improvement over Neverwinter Nights.[2][18] GameSpy stated that the single–player campaign was "worthy of its exhaustive pedigree",[7] and Game Informer's reviewer said "This title easily trumps the original NWN’s campaign with a vastly superior story and characters".[22] Another reviewer declared it "one of the best written games in history".[11] Other reviewers were less convinced,[74] with Australia's PALGN referring to the story as "rather predictable and clichéd".[5]

而维基上对于NWN1的评论则是这样：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverwinter_Nights

节选一段说明他们对NWN1的优点和缺点的说明：
In general, Neverwinter Nights met with positive reviews, receiving "universal acclaim" according to Metacritic.[13] GameSpot referred to it as "one of those exceedingly rare games that has a lot to offer virtually everyone, even if they aren't already into RPGs", and praised it for its campaign, its Aurora toolset, and its graphics.[16] Allgame found that the game's story was "humdrum" and "mediocre".[14]

GamePro noted the game's graphics as being "gorgeous" and its sound as "untouchable",[15] and GameZone likewise praised its visuals, specifically mentioning its combat animation and spell effects as being well-done.[18] GameSpy wasn't as impressed by the graphics, saying "The biggest, and arguably the only, glaring flaw in the game, is its graphics. You can tell that this game has been in development for five years[...]"; however, they praised its voice acting and music.[17]

这差别之大，我想已经不用我再多说了吧。

PS：补充一点，NWN2还获得了GameSpot的2006年最佳故事奖。wiki里提到"It received GameSpot's "Best Story" award for 2006."

[ 本帖最后由 Smokemage 于 2010-1-17 23:34 编辑 ]

Smokemage

原帖由 bdaabc 于 2010-1-16 23:04 发表
贴个链接吧，我又不会像某些没职业道德的BZ那样看到不同意见就删。。。
确实因为NWN玩得早有先入为主的观念也说不定，我一直感觉NWN2和NWN比输在支线上了。。。 ...

贴几个NWN2原版的总评吧（全部的评论给出链接）：

IGN：
6.5         Presentation
Good story and interesting character interactions are brought down by occasional bugs and a particularly annoying inventory system.
6.5         Graphics
For the most part, this game isn't much to look at. Some interesting armor and monster designs and attractive spells effects help keep this score from dropping too low.
8.5         Sound
Generally strong voice acting and a stellar soundtrack. Character acknowledgements can get aggravating, as can some of the ambient noises.
8.5         Gameplay
An entertaining conversation system combined with tactical dungeon crawling will keep you clicking away at your keyboard. Low difficulty level and confined maps occasionally muck things up.
10         Lasting Appeal
With support for play online and the inclusion of an updated toolset to create your own campaign means this is one of the most lasting experiences out there.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/744/744019p2.html

GameSpot：

The Good

    * Compelling story will keep you hooked for the entire 50-plus hours it takes to finish the single-player campaign  
    * Full-featured toolset lets you easily create and share new modules  
    * This is just about the most authentic representation of Dungeons & Dragons you'll find in any game  
    * Excellent music and mostly well-done voice acting  
    * The interactive dialogue and influence system make for dynamic and entertaining character interactions.

The Bad

    * Frustrating camera requires constant attention  
    * Steep system requirements for a game that doesn't look particularly good  
    * The artificial intelligence doesn't always cooperate.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/neverwinternights2/review.html

GameSpy：

Pros:
Exhaustive character options; well-written, engrossing story; sprawling original campaign.

Cons:
Some significant technical issues; performance isn't quite up to par.

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/neverwinter-nights-ii/744657p1.html

在Gamespot关于NWN2的Q@A上专门提到了“Neverwinter Nights 2 has a new graphics engine and a deeper story.”（这个说法肯定是相比NWN1）

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/n ... 1&mode=previews

zhuangdiablo

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