生化奇兵07年为什么能拿那么多大奖

lywy3000

原先也把这个游戏装过一次，玩了两关，就删了，昨天翻箱底又找出来一玩了一下，感觉它画面确实不错，可这游戏怎么就提不起兴趣，玩得有点郁闷


（呵呵，大家给了这么多建议，我还真得一定要玩下去，还真正如三楼的朋友说的，却实心不在这个游戏上，总想草草结束，甚至把作弊器都拿出来了，游戏的气氛总感觉有点压抑，没准如果真的玩进去就会好了）



兄弟们，打住，打住，这睁眼一看，100多楼了，晕，就是想问问这个游戏好不好玩，怎么还上升到政治问题上了，那个不是咱们讨论的，咱们就是来玩游戏的，好玩就玩，不好就删之。OK

[ 本帖最后由 lywy3000 于 2009-7-31 06:31 编辑 ]

leonht

都是牛人啊。。。。。

[ 本帖最后由 leonht 于 2009-8-1 01:44 编辑 ]

nightson1988

原帖由 836512 于 2009-8-1 00:54 发表

我回帖有时回复的不是一个人，前面还有不少天朝少年，有装13的，有在冥王星的，自己看看是哪一个
游戏的作者（和游戏记者不是一个人，呵呵~）反了乌托邦还是反了教母，或者反了什么？教母承认自己鼓吹的社会是乌托邦么，这是教母何时提 ...

跟你说了levine不认同Rand,这跟同意奥威尔有什么关系，你找找逻辑，谢谢

nightson1988

原帖由 836512 于 2009-8-1 00:54 发表

我回帖有时回复的不是一个人，前面还有不少天朝少年，有装13的，有在冥王星的，自己看看是哪一个
游戏的作者（和游戏记者不是一个人，呵呵~）反了乌托邦还是反了教母，或者反了什么？教母承认自己鼓吹的社会是乌托邦么，这是教母何时提 ...

在那个链接里就有，说得很清楚，Levine是一个自由主义者，认为在Rand构建的乌托邦中，由于每个人都成了absolutist，系统必定会因为个人过剩的欲望而崩溃。
乌托邦是什么意思，就是一个人心目中最理想的社会结构，柏拉图时期并无乌托邦，但是我们现在也经常把理想国称作柏拉图的乌托邦，为什么?
我不确定是否见过Rand亲口说出乌托邦这三个字，但Rand在她的Atlas Shrugged和The Virtue of Selfishness里阐述了她心中的理想社会，因此我们可以称之为乌托邦，如果你认为我是一个人在臆想，请查查wiki，再看看这个网页http://www.aynrand.org/site/Page ... speakers_greed_sals ，我这里需要代理，我把内容贴出来好了
A Utopia of Greed:
Ayn Rand's Moral Defense of Capitalism

By Richard M. Salsman

Utopias have motivated men for centuries. But they always envision the sacrifice of the individual. In practice they have caused mass murder. Yet no one challenges their morality.

Until Ayn Rand. She rejects the morality of traditional utopias, as well as the cynicism of those who reject idealism as such. Ayn Rand offers both a moral and practical utopia that enshrines rational selfishness, individualism, and laissez-faire capitalism.

In this talk, Mr. Salsman explain why Ayn Rand sees capitalism as an "unknown ideal," and describes how she views its history, its moral basis, and its ideal nature.

ps.别一口一个教母的。

nightson1988

原帖由 836512 于 2009-8-1 00:30 发表
看见还有人有兴致，就多给点东西
首先说一下，这些西方学术界非主流的东西我不了解
反正希腊神话里就有atlas了，然后就是乌托邦
Utopia is a name for an ideal community or society, taken from the title of a book wri ...

Bioshock里面当然不止Rand,Levine还借鉴了奥威尔的1984，在访谈中还见levine谈过其他东西对他的影响，前面也有人提到了，具体怎么回事，我发的那个链接里面说得很清楚，你要是不愿费时间看我也没办法。Rand阐述自己关于乌托邦的理念正是在阿特拉斯耸耸肩一书John Galt的长篇大论里，有兴趣自己看，没兴趣算了，没人说放任资本主义是rand提出的。
如果你连Bioshock的脚本作者Levine自己说的话都不相信，我就没办法了,对了，你貌似不相信他是作者，还讽刺我来着，没办法，请看喂鸡，就在右边

[ 本帖最后由 nightson1988 于 2009-8-1 00:52 编辑 ]

xy5909

原帖由 苏格拉底叔 于 2009-7-31 23:39 发表


may'n的那个香格里拉？。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

对。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

苏格拉底叔

原帖由 xy5909 于 2009-7-31 22:59 发表
终于知道为什么香格里拉里面那座城市叫阿特拉斯了

may'n的那个香格里拉？。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

xy5909

终于知道为什么香格里拉里面那座城市叫阿特拉斯了

苏格拉底叔

原帖由 killmeok 于 2009-7-31 18:45 发表


是影响，不是销量，小说里比其卖得多的有的是。

影响这个东西又无法统计，一般都是借圣经的名声吹牛。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

xiaohuangran

好热闹.... ...
这个帖子本身就很暴力

drugnasum

销量仅次于圣经是很有可能是中国人编的- -我能力有限，只能找到这些资料
不过这样更好的反驳了某人的观点，终于传奇不用登场了- -

nightson1988

原帖由 killmeok 于 2009-7-31 18:45 发表


是影响，不是销量，小说里比其卖得多的有的是。

我知道。。ls那位前面说到是销量仅次圣经嘛~这里又变了

nightson1988

原帖由 drugnasum 于 2009-7-31 18:42 发表
再补一段
6.5 How many copies of Atlas Shrugged have been sold?
According to a history of the book provided by the Ayn Rand Institute, over 6.2 million copies had been sold by the US publishers as of 2 ...

呃，这跟销量仅次于圣经不是一回事呢
不过真没想到Ayn Rand有这么广泛的影响

drugnasum

再补一段
6.5 How many copies of Atlas Shrugged have been sold?
According to a history of the book provided by the Ayn Rand Institute, over 6.2 million copies had been sold by the US publishers as of 2007, with recent sales averaging over 130,000 copies per year. This presumably does not include sales from other countries, whether in English or translated. By way of comparison, these are significantly higher sales than most books ever achieve, but signifcantly less than some other modern novels, such as Gone with the Wind or The Da Vinci Code, which have sales in the multiple tens of millions.

drugnasum

找到这样一段。相信的不相信的自己看吧
6.4 Is it true that Atlas Shrugged is the second most influential book ever written?
No one knows exactly how influential Atlas Shrugged is, because there has never been a proper study done to check. The "second most influential" claim comes from a Survey of Lifetime Reading Habits conducted in 1991 by the Book-of-the-Month Club and the Library of Congress. Printed surveys were sent to members of the Club, asking them what books had most influenced their own lives. A little over 2,000 responses were received. The Bible ranked first, and Atlas Shrugged ranked a distant second. Because the survey targeted an audience of book lovers (members of the Club) and an active effort was required to mail in a response, it is likely that the results were skewed towards people who were influenced especially strongly by a particular book. Such a result cannot be reliably interpreted as reflecting the entire US population, although enthusiastic promoters of the novel sometimes make such claims. (The survey is also often inaccurately described as a "poll" or "study," and various incorrect sources are cited for it.)

Similar concerns affect a more recent list to an even greater degree. In 1998, book publisher Random House ran an online vote asking readers to name the "best" English-language novels of the 20th century. Atlas Shrugged placed first in this vote, with Rand's other novels placing high on the list as well. However, there was a considerable amount of campaigning by special-interest groups to promote particular authors and books. There were also only limited controls to prevent repeat voting and other "ballot stuffing" techniques. In the end, the results probably reflected the intensity of feeling among the most highly motived voters as much or more than the breadth of support for any of the top vote-getters.

Because of the limitations of these surveys, some critics attack them as "invalid" or "unscientific," but that isn't entirely accurate. The survey results are legitimate as long as one understands their biases and limitations. They reflect the strength of influence that the books listed have had on the specific groups involved in the surveys. What is invalid and unscientific is to attempt to generalize the findings beyond those groups without accounting for the skewed participation.

welo004

原帖由 nightson1988 于 2009-7-31 18:31 发表

嗯，我对这没啥研究，觉得这种说法有理就信了，这个说法不对么？请指教

偶是民族主义者。基本上国家=民族。国家社会主义对偶来说确实是很种族主义的。。。。。。。。。。

welo004

原帖由 nightson1988 于 2009-7-31 18:29 发表

仅次于圣经？中国人编的吧，我没感觉到Rand的书买的有这么好，有数据么？恶评如潮是肯定的，看看客观主义的内容就不可能好评如潮，因为在客观主义面前，没有灰色地带，你要么选择骂它，要么爱它。 ...

你不该问我,销量啊啥的仅次于圣经不是偶说的，找LS某人。。。。。。。。。。

nightson1988

原帖由 welo004 于 2009-7-31 18:28 发表

国家社会主义乃起于十九世纪末叶的欧洲（1890年代），而主要在二十世纪上半叶于德国境内流行的政治思潮与运动，其概念乃融合民族、国家与社会主义，但并非纳粹主义，因其基本上不含种族主义之内涵。----------你说的不同是红字 ...

嗯，我对这没啥研究，觉得这种说法有理就信了，这个说法不对么？请指教

nightson1988

原帖由 welo004 于 2009-7-31 18:26 发表

反正是影响仅次于《圣经》了......挺悲剧的影响........

仅次于圣经？中国人编的吧，我没感觉到Rand的书买的有这么好，有数据么？恶评如潮是肯定的，看看客观主义的内容就不可能好评如潮，因为在客观主义面前，没有灰色地带，你要么选择骂它，要么爱它。

welo004

原帖由 nightson1988 于 2009-7-31 18:23 发表

我的意思是两者不等同啊，不赘述了，见，http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5 ... 5%B9%BF%E4%B9%89%29

国家社会主义乃起于十九世纪末叶的欧洲（1890年代），而主要在二十世纪上半叶于德国境内流行的政治思潮与运动，其概念乃融合民族、国家与社会主义，但并非纳粹主义，因其基本上不含种族主义之内涵。----------你说的不同是红字部分?