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标题: 德国游戏网站关于幕府将军2的报道! [打印本页]

作者: 秋之回忆n    时间: 2010-9-11 10:40:17     标题: 德国游戏网站关于幕府将军2的报道!

德国网站一篇报道,有以下几个特点
http://www.4players.de/4players. ... un_2_Total_War.html

-65 provinces
65个地区


-3 starting provinces, everything else will be hidden behind the fog of war (2D map in Japanese flair from the Edo-era)
主要大名有三个地区,一开始被战争迷雾围着(江户时期风格的日本2d地图)

-3D-Portraits of faces in the campaign GUI
战略地图上的头像将是3d效果的(貌似类似于星际争霸那种??)

-particle effects on the campaign map (water etc.)
战略地图将有粒子效果(如水等等)


-free rotating camera
可以自由旋转镜头(应该是战略地图上)

-Generals, Geishas, Ninjas etc. can be upgraded and will change their appearance on the campaign map up to three times
将军,艺妓,忍者等可升级,后面不太理解,水平有限???

-direction of the development of a character will have to be chosen in some kind of tech tree: the Ninja can master either assassinating, scouting, sabotage or espionage
人物的发展将在不同科技树选择,忍者主要掌握暗杀,侦查,破坏和间谍

-there is a sort of "Ninja-hunter" that can kill your Ninja easily
忍者猎人可以杀死你的忍者???

-skills of other characters: Ninjitsu, poison, knives

-the top of the Generals tech tree will be "Legendary Warrior" (specialization: fire arrows or bigger marching range), "Living legend" (art of diplomacy and culture - "Way of Chi")

-four advisors, each with special skills (I think like the ministers of ETW/NTW)
四名顾问,每一个都有特殊技能

-you got up to four brothers that can be married
最多可以联姻4名武将

-exchange hostages
可以交换人质

-Ronins (heroes which don't belong to a clan) will appear on the campaign map
英雄(英雄将不属于任何氏族)将出现在战略地图中

-European technology can be used but will affect public order, worsen relationships to other clans and will make Christian monks appear.
可以使用欧洲技术,但会影响社会治安,和其他部族关系恶化,会出现基督教传教士!


[ 本帖最后由 秋之回忆n 于 2010-9-11 06:56 编辑 ]
作者: 秋之回忆n    时间: 2010-9-11 10:44:34

水平不佳,尽量翻译!
高手可以参与指正~~~
作者: charlieshe    时间: 2010-9-11 11:29:42

补充:

-Generals, Geishas, Ninjas etc. can be upgraded and will change their appearance on the campaign map up to three times

将军,忍者等可以升级,伴随升级最多会在战略地图上改变3次造型.....

-the top of the Generals tech tree will be "Legendary Warrior" (specialization: fire arrows or bigger marching range), "Living legend" (art of diplomacy and culture - "Way of Chi")

将军最高的水平等级是“传奇武士”(火箭或者更远的行军距离),“人生传奇”(外交和文化的最高水准-Way of Chi,不知道是什么意思)....

-Ronins (heroes which don't belong to a clan) will appear on the campaign map
将会有不属于任何派系的英雄出现(YY:例如上泉信纲?)

怨念下,居然只有65个地区?强烈要求CA开放MOD阿...............
作者: 秋之回忆n    时间: 2010-9-11 11:33:34

65个地区不少了,开放mod特别是地图是就没有希望了,CA限制了

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作者: charlieshe    时间: 2010-9-11 11:43:54     标题: 回复 #4 秋之回忆n 的帖子

恩,比中二少吧..........

和KOEI的信长比,基本上最少的一代大概也就是60多城.....差不多一国一城了,多的时候貌似上百?......其实只要CA真的能把大阪,安土,小田原3大名城完完整整的重现,做出真实的地形和独特的构成,那城倒是少点也没关系...........
作者: 秋之回忆n    时间: 2010-9-11 11:46:44     标题: 回复 #5 charlieshe 的帖子

中2欧洲非洲加美洲,日本能有这么多地方也算可以了,城堡估计都是一样的~
作者: czcs    时间: 2010-9-11 11:51:34

还是没看出来势力是不是都可以用的,总共几个势力可以用啊
作者: 玩得差    时间: 2010-9-11 12:36:13

65个地区接近一国一城吧。
应该还是会参照革新天道的设置的。
作者: lxltqt    时间: 2010-9-11 12:53:21

關鍵還是AI程度。。不要像幾年前羅馬和中世紀一樣弱智,不知道帝國里的AI怎麼樣,機器不行,沒玩過
作者: kyozc    时间: 2010-9-11 13:03:08

原帖由 czcs 于 2010-9-11 11:51 发表
还是没看出来势力是不是都可以用的,总共几个势力可以用啊

目前说是9个~~~
作者: rogerlmh    时间: 2010-9-11 13:05:57

Way of Chi = 氣道?????????????
作者: rogerlmh    时间: 2010-9-11 13:07:47

Living legend 是活著的傳說,即是傳奇人物......
作者: kyozc    时间: 2010-9-11 13:08:22

原帖由 玩得差 于 2010-9-11 12:36 发表
65个地区接近一国一城吧。
应该还是会参照革新天道的设置的。


城方面的设定估计都差不到哪去,历史啥样就啥样。

关键是武将。首先幕府2不知道有没有分年代的剧本,否则起始年代是1555的话想等玩到独眼龙和幸村不是要等半天…………而且大名势力范围前后差那么多~~~
其次是特技的设定,虽然有技能树了,但是特殊人物、特殊大名的特技不知道能不能引入,比如武田的风林火山、啄木鸟,上杉的车悬…………

要是战略上用信野,战斗上是全战,多好啊…………
作者: kyozc    时间: 2010-9-11 13:10:35

-you got up to four brothers that can be married
那个网站不是德文的么,斑竹你这英文哪找到的……

这句我觉得是指联姻系统,最多可以联姻4名武将~~~~~
作者: 秋之回忆n    时间: 2010-9-11 13:49:44     标题: 回复 #14 kyozc 的帖子

对呀,原文是德文,我发的英文是TWC上的!

[ 本帖最后由 秋之回忆n 于 2010-9-11 06:55 编辑 ]
作者: 秋之回忆n    时间: 2010-9-11 14:16:41

I stare at the wide map laid out in front of me. My two provinces of Hojo territory along the coast seem pitifully small compared to the yards and yards of yellowed parchment stretching far to the north. But there is no time to dream of the conquests to come, not with the treacherous Imagawa clan right on my borders to the west. Before I can even contemplate moving north and taking on the more powerful warlords, I have to eliminate my more immediate threats.

I have an army ready to march, but despite the loyalty of my Takeda allies to the north, I can't risk losing my men or their capable general in a pitched battle against the invading Imagawa army. The army is led by a mighty general whose skill will surely put me at a disadvantage on the field of battle. Knowing that if I cut off the head, the snake will die, I call on my Geisha. Though she is known for her skill as an entertainer, in reality, she is a highly trained assassin. I send her to meet the invading army's general on the march and "entertain" him.

I watch as she enters the enemy camp in the middle of the night, creeping silently through ranks on her way to the general's quarters. She passes by, unseen by sentries, and approaches the large tent. Stepping inside, she finds the general lying on his bunk with his back to her. She slowly crosses the room as we see that, though his body is still, the general's eyes are wide and alert. The scene transitions outside the tent and we hear a sickening sound as our Geisha's efforts are thwarted. Back on the campaign map, she mutters a brief apology and dies before my eyes. I will have to build more gambling halls before I can find more of her kind.

Scanning the map before me, a shuriken symbol above a friendly town reminds me that I have other agents I can use. A nearby Ninja in my employ is waiting there for me to send him to spy on or sabotage the enemy. Unlike the Geisha, the Ninja can move invisibly across the map, just so long as he avoids enemy Matsuka, the secret police who are valued not only for their ability to spot Ninja, but also for their role in bribing enemy armies.

My Ninja is more skilled, or at least luckier, than my Geisha. After approaching the enemy army undetected, he picks his way through the camp, nearly tripping over a sleeping guard, which under any other circumstances would raise the alarm and bring a quick and unsuccessful end not only to the Ninja's mission but also to his life. He is lucky this night as he steals his way to the general's tent, and luckier still that the general is finally asleep. Dropping down from above, the Ninja makes quick and messy work of the general before fleeing the camp.

Back on the map, the Ninja drops a smoke bomb and emerges from the cloud in a grander outfit that reveals the new abilities he has gained through experience. In time, I can train this Ninja to become an expert escape artist, or a clever saboteur, or an inconspicuous spy. But that can wait. The Imagawa clan now knows that its general has been murdered and, fearing the inevitable arrival of Matsuka, our Ninja retreats north to hide in friendly Takeda territory.

With the enemy general dead, I'm free to lead my own forces against the invading enemy army. Without the benefit of a leader, trained in the various arts of attack and defense, the enemy army falls before our spears and arrows. Our own general, fresh from the victory, can be promoted and learn new skills, such as siege craft or improved command of our peasant levies. Should we have more use of provincial governors, our general might instead be endowed with certain civic advantages.

Since we mean to press on and destroy the Imagawa, our general dispenses with the peaceful promotions of government and instead learns the ways of siege attacks. As he pushes into Imagawa lands, he burns the enemy's farms and rice plantations. Food is more valuable than gold to a nation. We'll see how well Imagawa's armies fight on an empty stomach. Still, we don't want to destroy too much. When we take over these regions, we'll use the farms and plantations to support massive fortifications to fend off any attacks on our own territory.

It sounds like we'll need them. There are rumors that the nearby Chosokabe clan has built a big enough harbor to attract a strange people known as the "Dutch." These Dutch offered to share the secret of gunpowder with Chosokabe, and the lure of the strange new technology forced the clan to give in to Dutch demands to convert to Christianity. Now their Monks are wandering the land, converting people from Buddhism and generating much unhappiness. Still, the Christian monks are no different from the Buddhists in their disloyal attempts to have my Matsuka renounce their duty to the clan and stop seeking out Ninjas.

Worst of all, this new Dutch weapon has armed peasants with guns that can kill our Samurai. This goes against the code of Bushido. Chosokabe dishonors himself by this choice, and though he gains a powerful weapon on the battlefield, it will be harder to maintain the loyalty of his officers. We will watch and wait as his most insightful advisors, his ablest generals, and his most trusted governors abandon him. He might reclaim some honor if he orders his generals to commit seppuku, but if he orders and they refuse, he will find them turning into Ronin and stealing part of his army.

Given time, we might discover the secrets of gunpowder weapons on our own. But the more effort we put into uncovering the secrets of Bushido, the less we can put into the path of Chi, which helps us to increase happiness, honor and holiness among our people. Shall we trust in our military might to win the day? Or can we rely on the health and happiness of our people to turn back military attacks?

We will watch and wait. Next year, the battle will begin.

[ 本帖最后由 秋之回忆n 于 2010-9-11 07:18 编辑 ]
作者: 秋之回忆n    时间: 2010-9-11 14:18:00

这篇比IGN的读着有趣多了,谁翻译奖励200LTB!
作者: bravery    时间: 2010-9-11 15:07:34

原帖由 rogerlmh 于 2010-9-11 13:05 发表
Way of Chi = 氣道?????????????

应该是“侍之道”,也就是中国人常说的“武士道”。
作者: kyozc    时间: 2010-9-11 15:32:17

貌似是以织田口吻写的一篇介绍啊…………………………………………
作者: 杨衍初    时间: 2010-9-11 16:24:31

“将会有不属于任何派系的英雄出现”有空做这么个莫名其妙的东西不如做个诸势力(国人众,忍者众...)

[ 本帖最后由 杨衍初 于 2010-9-11 18:37 编辑 ]
作者: bravery    时间: 2010-9-11 19:30:01

原帖由 杨衍初 于 2010-9-11 16:24 发表
“将会有不属于任何派系的英雄出现”有空做这么个莫名其妙的东西不如做个诸势力(国人众,忍者众...)

我觉得SEGA应该就是你说的这个意思,这种“不属于任何派系的英雄”肯定不会是以叛军的形式出现,对不?那就肯定可以用某种方式让他给你提供帮助。
作者: LeDuc    时间: 2010-9-11 19:35:38

将军,忍着能换外貌.................这有什么实际意义啊?莫非能导入图片
作者: 动如雷震    时间: 2010-9-11 21:33:57     标题: 回复 #16 秋之回忆n 的帖子

这篇写的不太好玩,哥英文水平有限,凑活看吧

哥哥我凝视着摆放在我面前的地图。哎,我北条领内所辖的2国看起来小得就像2个小院子一样不起眼,在那发黄的羊皮纸这两个小院子延伸到北方。但是现在没有时间去梦想开疆拓土,在哥哥我领土的西方边境上今川家这帮不上路子的孙子正随时准备爆哥哥菊花。在哥哥我考虑向北方拓展并招募更强力的马仔之前,哥哥我先得消除眼下的威胁。

哥哥我有一支军队已经准备好出发了,但是不能无视我北方的盟友武田家立场(这孙子更不是东西)。而且我更不能冒在与今川军激战中失去我的将士或他们有才的将军的险。今川军由一个灰常强力的将军率领,他的技能显然让我军在战场上处于下风。俗话说的好,擒贼先擒王。于是哥哥我找来了艺妓。艺妓嘛,明着是以歌舞给人取乐的戏子,但其实是经过严格训练的杀手。哥哥就派她去拜访下对方的将领,和他好好“玩玩”。(掩面Y笑ing。。。。)

在这个月黑风高的午夜,哥哥看着我的妞摸进了敌人的营地,悄悄地爬向对方将军的大帐。她躲过了哨兵(一群烧饼)的巡视,慢慢靠近敌人的中军大帐^_^蹑手蹑脚滴溜进去,发现那个烧饼将军背对着哥的妞躺在床上。哥看着哥的妞穿过房间,那个将军身体还是一动没动,但是眼睛却睁着,透出警觉的目光。(哥杯具了)果然,画面一转,到了帐篷外面,一个让哥很不爽的叫声,预示了哥的妞失败了。回到战略地图上,哥的妞小声的说了抱歉后就在哥眼前自尽了。(亚美爹。。。。。)哥哥不得不造更多的赌博大厅以找到更多的艺妓。(今川,哥跟你没完)

搜寻了下地图,哥惊喜的发现一个我方城镇上有个忍者镖的符号,这表示哥还有个忍者可以用(日照大神没有遗弃哥呀)附近有个忍者正待命,准备去执行哥下的所有偷鸡摸狗的命令。不同于艺妓,忍者可以在大地图上隐形(卧槽,隐刀啊,高科技),除非碰上对方的Matsuka,传说中的秘密警察,不仅可以发现忍者,还可以贿赂对方的军队。

哥的忍者小弟更给力,或者说比哥的妞要走运。在靠近地方军队后,他小心谨慎的穿过营地,几乎被一个睡着的守卫绊了一跤,这一般都会引发警报造成任务失败,甚至要了他的小命,(不要给哥玩心跳,哥心理素质差)这烂人今晚真是走运,又悄悄地走进了大帐,更幸运的是这回对方的boss真睡着了。从帐篷顶上滴下毒液,忍者终于完成了他迅速而又一团糟的工作,之后逃离的敌营。(搞定^_^)

回到大地图上,这小子扔了烟雾弹,出现了一团烟雾,他升级了。。。。。。

这时,我可以把他培养成一个逃脱艺术的大师,或是聪明的破坏者,或是一个不显眼的间谍,不过这先不急,今川已经知道了他们的将军被暗杀了,由于害怕这孙子派出Matsuka,哥哥还是先让小弟到武田领去避避风头。

既然对方将军已死,所谓群蛇无首,哥哥我就可以带着马仔们爆了这帮入侵的孙子。没有了将领的加成,这些可耻的侵略者们纷纷倒在了我军的长矛和弓箭下。而哥哥刚刚获胜的将军,可以晋升并学习新的技能了,比如攻城技艺,或者是更善于统领那些农民足轻。哇哈哈哈

这听起来不错,我们会需要的。最近有传闻说乡下的土豪长宗我部家建好了一个灰常大的码头,可以和哥不知道的人交往,MS叫什么“荷兰人”。这些荷兰人给长宗我部提供火药武器,而在这个奇怪的新技术的诱惑下,长宗我部这个孙子居然答应荷兰人改信基督教!!现在这些南蛮和尚遍布,到处传播邪教,诱骗那些信奉佛教的人们改信基督教,这引起了当地居民的极大不满。这些南蛮和尚与佛教的和尚没什么不同,都可以去降Matsuka的忠诚度,甚至让他们声明和宗家断绝关系,并不在去搜寻忍者。(和尚V5)

更糟的是,荷兰人带来的新武器灰常NB,及时是农民装备后也可以轻易地杀死武士!!这有违武士道的准则。长宗我部这孙子简直是给全日本的武士丢脸!所以纵然这孙子有了这一强力的新武器,但是这也会使得他很难去维持手下的忠心了。我们将拭目以待,他的顾问、最牛B的将领以及他最信任的幕僚的唾弃,等着这大逆不道的孙子众叛亲离的那天。如果他下令让手下的将军们切腹或许可以挽回些颜面,不过如果他们拒绝切腹,就会变成浪人,并带走一部分军队。

过一段时间,我们自己也会发现火药的秘密。但是我们越是花更多的精力去揭露武士道的秘密,那么我们花在Chi上的精力就越少,但是Chi可以帮助增加我们人民的快乐,荣誉和神圣。我们应该坚信武力去获取天下么?或者依靠人民的健康和快乐替代武力征服?(锤子)

我们拭目以待,明年,战斗即将打响。
作者: 秋之回忆n    时间: 2010-9-11 21:37:50     标题: 回复 #23 动如雷震 的帖子

笑喷了
作者: 动如雷震    时间: 2010-9-11 21:53:17     标题: 回复 #24 秋之回忆n 的帖子

秋版手好快

一直不知道Chi指的是什么,应该是一种文化吧。。。。。但是花道、茶道、书道、剑道,樱花、和服、俳句,武士、清酒、神道教都不像
作者: bozel    时间: 2010-9-11 22:45:01

Chi?这是什么?“吃”???
作者: 秋之回忆n    时间: 2010-9-11 22:52:21

不会吧,要了欧洲的技术就得失去军心民意,有点划不来,不过比起铁炮的威力,贱民和一些家臣可以拖出去枪毙了!
作者: 上泉信纲    时间: 2010-9-12 00:25:09

不属于任何派系的英雄

会不会是国人众呢?
作者: 苍星石    时间: 2010-9-12 15:57:00     标题: 回复 #28 上泉信纲 的帖子

其实说的是 云游在大地上 为了正义为了苦难百姓而战斗的英雄...............
作者: kyozc    时间: 2010-9-12 20:56:13

原帖由 苍星石 于 2010-9-12 15:57 发表
其实说的是 云游在大地上 为了正义为了苦难百姓而战斗的英雄...............


上泉信纲、宫本武藏、果心居士……之类的吧………………比如你残暴无度,他就会来刺杀你之类的吧………………
作者: sega032    时间: 2010-9-12 22:08:54

exchange hostages
可以交换人质

根据这点,可能将军寿命可以更长或者回合数的计算改变
作者: kyozc    时间: 2010-9-12 23:39:39

原帖由 sega032 于 2010-9-12 22:08 发表
exchange hostages
可以交换人质

根据这点,可能将军寿命可以更长或者回合数的计算改变


跟寿命没关系吧,只是现在可以俘虏了,不一定要杀掉
作者: SC领导人    时间: 2010-9-12 23:42:46

原帖由 玩得差 于 2010-9-11 12:36 发表
65个地区接近一国一城吧。
应该还是会参照革新天道的设置的。


去掉“壹岐”、“对马”、“隐岐”,65个地区,刚好就是65国。[暗喜]

 
作者: SC领导人    时间: 2010-9-12 23:47:15

原帖由 秋之回忆n 于 2010-9-11 22:52 发表

不会吧,要了欧洲的技术就得失去军心民意,有点划不来,不过比起铁炮的威力,贱民和一些家臣可以拖出去枪毙了!


敌は本能寺にあり!
作者: 146782    时间: 2010-9-14 01:20:31

LS这句貌似大河剧里的台词。。。。。。。。。
作者: 莉可莉丝    时间: 2010-9-14 07:05:32

原帖由 charlieshe 于 2010-9-11 11:29 发表
补充:

-Ronins (heroes which don't belong to a clan) will appear on the campaign map
将会有不属于任何派系的英雄出现(YY:例如上泉信纲?)

Ronins 是日文字, 解浪人.
我估可能是類似宮本武藏、左左木小次郎、妲己、遠呂智...等等的人物
作者: 苍星石    时间: 2010-9-14 09:14:45     标题: 回复 #35 146782 的帖子

明明就是那句 敌人在本能寺..........
光秀的本能寺之变知道不........
作者: lee311311    时间: 2010-9-14 11:07:54

-Generals, Geishas, Ninjas etc. can be upgraded and will change their appearance on the campaign map up to three times
将军,艺妓,忍者等可升级,后面不太理解,水平有限???

后面的意思是 这些单位的形象在战略地图上也会随着升级而变化,总共可以升级3次左右(变身3次)!
作者: qingyuan99sky    时间: 2010-10-7 21:56:09

Or can we rely on the health and happiness of our people to turn back military attacks?

民忠高能自动反击?!!!
作者: anyexing    时间: 2010-10-8 08:48:36

很期待
虽然说城池少了点
但好歹也比一代多了

作者: 夜静听雨    时间: 2010-10-26 11:39:06

哎 一直在犹豫到时候要不要为了幕府2去买台新的电脑啊




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