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标题: 我居然是混乱中立到邪惡？大冤枉啊求助ing [打印本页]

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-12 00:07:48 标题: 我居然是混乱中立到邪惡？大冤枉啊求助ing

我在龙疼区发了讨论帖居然说姐姐是坏蛋无天理啊啊啊转过来大家评评

第一段

我开场是法师男对这个朋友我是一直从头顶到尾的所有涉及他的对话都是用能选到的最强硬的语气支持他的
（注意，你的每句选择几乎都会影响下面出现的对话选项，所以常常可以看到论坛上很多人描述不同，当然哗众取宠与NC请自重）

最后是完美解决中毒事件后（母平安小孩长大后成为魅魅的食物）自由放出~~~ 下落不明

网络上的个人理解之间确确实实都有好大偏差

在我看来既然是游戏一上场就设定为朋友那就当做自己的朋友来看待

那么作为朋友就是关键时候帮忙擦屁股的
（在有难的时候千山万水跑来救你的是朋友而和你烂在一起等朋友来救的是死党）

在游戏这样的大背景下在法师塔这个圈子里练习血法当然不能向任何人说不向朋友说正是对朋友负责任

在最后出塔前被抓的情况下已经伏软居然还动自己的女人当然要暴走

所以他逃跑后我的口气还是一如既往的强硬支持他除了最后离开塔前很简短很尊敬向导师道别外
（当然那条女算是任何作品中都会出现的典型人物啦）

在城堡地下监狱遇到他问明情况后直接放出来

在完成任务后表明要放朋友走那个小A的什么什么制止后还是用坚定的语气坚持

ps 原则上我玩欧美RPG 都是尽量选择三赢的解决方法即
事件（任务）的双方都得到符合我（主角）价值观的处理
我（主角）得到一定的利益
如果不能则尽量照顾弱者
如果没有无辜者则解决后勒索双方再杀光

ho ho 毫无疑问我是混乱善良吧游侠职业的绝配哟

ps的ps
在我看来友情应该是世界上最纯洁最无功利的感情
在我看来现在网络上太多对友情功利性的看法
在我看来在你错误的时候毫不给面子的对你当头棒喝的是朋友在有难的时候千山万水、杀神灭佛跑来救你的是朋友
在我看来死党和朋友是不一样的但都一样的珍贵和你烂在一起出了事等着朋友来救的是死党

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-12 00:09:37 标题: 第二段

第二段反正不用贴对话文啦就这样看就ok

有这么严重么？我任何有标示的游戏玩到最后都会变成混乱善良的

而且我认为血法这种职业、练法本身无善恶之分，那些练血法而拿别人作为牺牲的当然是邪恶的，但是在我看来就是在追求力量的过程中不自量力而迷失本心变成该死的废渣经验值而已。

如果你力量（意志）够强，完全可以练了血法而牢牢掌握住这种力量不用其中损他人的部分啊。在动漫、游戏中这类逆天角色也不少吧，很多还是主角呢。

以下有感而发无关回复

于我来说，在游戏空间、网络空间这样的虚拟空间中，约束已尽可能减到了最低。

所以我在这里面寻回纯真，而有些人则是发泄情绪。
寻回纯真的过程中有发泄情绪，但发泄情绪绝对不是寻回纯真。

可惜在天朝特色的虚拟空间，更多的人是发泄情绪，而不是寻回纯真，这也是姐姐这一代人很多人退出网游的原因，也是外国网游人文环境相对好的原因。

何必痛骂运营商搞金钱网游，运营商不过是顺天朝特色刮天朝特色而已，
而外挂党和金钱Dan最终几乎都变成发泄党。

所以我在单机欧美RPG中总是依照本心做出判断选择,
所以我也一直无法理解那种宣称为了玩剧情而“走邪恶路线”的人，在我看来除非他本身就是邪恶向。

我很喜欢幽游白书里面那个老奶奶的一句话
“我也认同力量是邪恶的专属，只不过我讨厌的人恰好都是坏蛋罢了”
我也很喜欢浪客剑心里某人的一句话（忘记了 5555 年纪大了哟）
“恶即斩”

作者: 雷霆刀 时间: 2009-12-12 01:56:11

说到真正的阵营....想起以前玩过这个

DND发行商的阵营测验翻译 http://bbs.ngacn.cc/read.php?tid=2111302&fpage=1&page=1

参考着玩玩吧...我的结果正是混乱中立

作者: bdaabc 时间: 2009-12-12 03:28:16

姐姐你是那句“如果没有无辜者则解决后勒索双方再杀光”被人看见了吧。。。。。。
姐姐明显是腹黑的啊，光速闪。。。。。。

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-12 07:44:15

原帖由 bdaabc 于 2009-12-12 03:28 发表
姐姐你是那句“如果没有无辜者则解决后勒索双方再杀光”被人看见了吧。。。。。。
姐姐明显是腹黑的啊，光速闪。。。。。。

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我也光速闪　　　　　　　

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-12 08:25:50

这样就算？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？

5555 我杀的是坏人啊

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-12 08:32:59 标题: 回复 #6 CaiMM 的帖子

姐姐大…
这不是算数，一个正数减一个负数的结果肯定大于那个正数…
用邪恶制邪恶归根结底是邪恶的方法……

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-12 08:59:19

那么我是混乱邪恶。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

ya da ~~~ yo!

作者: yinweidi 时间: 2009-12-12 09:13:40

我果然是中立善良，游戏时我就一直是。。。。

Your Character’s Alignment

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Neutral Good.

Neutral Good

A neutral good character does the best that a good person can do. He is devoted to helping others. He works with kings and magistrates but does not feel beholden to them. The common phrase for neutral good is "true good." Neutral good is the best alignment you can be because it means doing what is good without bias toward or against order.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6

Keep in mind the alignment suggested by the quiz is just that: a suggestion. It describes your character no better than a 36-question test would describe you. But it’s a good way to start thinking about how your character acts when confronted with issues of alignment.

Now that your character has taken the test, make a note of which questions scored in the opposite direction from your overall alignment. These exceptions can tell some interesting tales about your character Are you a good character with a greedy streak? Are you a lawful character who can’t stand the village elders? Don’t just roleplay your alignment -- roleplay your alignment exceptions, too. Few characters perfectly embody their alignment choice.

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-12 09:16:16 标题: 关于 3楼

我居然是中立

Your Character’s Alignment

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Neutral.

Neutral

A neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. She doesn’t feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Most neutrality is a lack of conviction or bias rather than a commitment to neutrality. Such a character thinks of good as better than evil. After all, she would rather have good neighbors and rulers than evil ones. Still, she’s not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way. Some neutral characters, on the other hand, commit themselves philosophically to neutrality. They see good, evil, law, and chaos as prejudices and dangerous extremes. They advocate the middle way of neutrality as the best, most balanced road in the long run. The common phrase for neutral is "true neutral." Neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you act naturally, without prejudice or compulsion.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6

Keep in mind the alignment suggested by the quiz is just that: a suggestion. It describes your character no better than a 36-question test would describe you. But it’s a good way to start thinking about how your character acts when confronted with issues of alignment.

Now that your character has taken the test, make a note of which questions scored in the opposite direction from your overall alignment. These exceptions can tell some interesting tales about your character Are you a good character with a greedy streak? Are you a lawful character who can’t stand the village elders? Don’t just roleplay your alignment -- roleplay your alignment exceptions, too. Few characters perfectly embody their alignment choice.

Try the test again

Changing Alignment

From time to time (say every three to five levels), it might be a good idea to retake this alignment test to see whether your character is experiencing "alignment drift." Perhaps you intended him to walk the straight and narrow, but (having fallen in with bad company), he’s becoming increasingly comfortable with behavior that would make his mentors blush. Or perhaps you intended her as a hard-bitten cynic, yet find that she’s the one who makes sure the rescued survivors get safely back to town, sometimes slipping them a few gold pieces to replace their losses.

Don’t despair: People change over time, and characters do too. Some become more lawful (there’s nothing like amassing a stockpile of loot to make you want banditry and thieving to stop). Others relax their earlier strictures to embrace a more flexible approach. The alignment you choose while creating the character may not be the alignment that best fits how you play that character. Retaking the test later on also has the advantage that, instead of abstract conditions, you can plug in specific examples of how the character behaved when faced with any of the situations outlined in the "test."

Note that some characters (paladins, clerics, monks) suffer consequences of shifting alignment. Consider this test a qualifying exam for beginning characters in this class ("Well, you seem to score poorly on lawfulness, Sir Eadgar -- are you sure you want to be a paladin?") and a moral and ethical compass for those already on their chosen path.

翻译一下哟

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-12 09:35:20 标题: 我做这个是中立善良

http://candlekeep.blogbus.com/logs/15211857.html

我明白了坚持自己原则者对于大环境来说就是无原则除非你所坚持的自己的原则是受序的

那么我算是绝对中立偏善良（因为看坏蛋不顺眼么）

[ 本帖最后由 CaiMM 于 2009-12-12 09:37 编辑 ]

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-12 10:46:05 标题: 回复 #11 CaiMM 的帖子

我还没有测试过的说
我预计我是守序邪恶～～

作者: kdashworld 时间: 2009-12-12 12:00:50

昨天看到这贴，凌晨4点去测的~~~~~~~~~~~~~守序中立。。。。。果然我被Kelemvor同化了

感觉LZ把正义和善良混淆了~~~~~~~~任何时候，对他人起杀心，都是邪恶，DND的善/恶系统太绝对了，现实里很难有这样的人~~~

作者: Smokemage 时间: 2009-12-12 12:16:51

我早测过了，毫不意外的是守序中立。

根据CaiMM的说法，我感觉她是绝对中立偏邪恶。

作者: yinweidi 时间: 2009-12-12 12:20:44

原帖由 CaiMM 于 2009-12-12 09:35 发表
 http://candlekeep.blogbus.com/logs/15211857.html

我明白了坚持自己原则者对于大环境来说就是无原则除非你所坚持的自己的原则是受序的

那么我算是绝对中立偏善良（因为看坏蛋不顺眼么） ...

Neutral Good

A neutral good character does the best that a good person can do. He is devoted to helping others. He works with kings and magistrates but does not feel beholden to them. The common phrase for neutral good is "true good." Neutral good is the best alignment you can be because it means doing what is good without bias toward or against order.

NG其实指的大多是乐于助人，为权威（大义）工作，但又不受权威束缚的人。

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-12 12:34:18

其实还有一个分类

就是可爱不可爱与非可爱

所以我是可爱的绝对中立偏善良

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-12 14:30:39

那罗火多……改天测试
无冬区灌水组正在执行日常工作

[ 本帖最后由 zhuangdiablo 于 2009-12-12 14:33 编辑 ]

作者: shadowmoon5 时间: 2009-12-12 18:09:22

MM我也觉得你是中立偏邪恶··我是守序善良呃···这次放你一马，下次破邪斩了你···老衲光速闪也·········

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-12 18:23:00 标题: 回复 #18 shadowmoon5 的帖子

沙加是圣斗士，圣武士的究级进阶职业…
可以用意念发动破邪斩，做远程碰触攻击……

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-12 19:36:58

在天朝能够养成受序善良的性格实在让人敬仰

其实我自己还是觉得自己是混乱善良啦....................

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-12 20:04:54

我一直认为自己是守序邪恶…
　　　　　　　

作者: shadowmoon5 时间: 2009-12-12 20:28:51 标题: 回复 #19 zhuangdiablo 的帖子

你知道得太多了···我们正义人士要低调
202020

作者: wingdwer 时间: 2009-12-12 21:09:56

十分不解，做了测试，我这样经常拔刀相向的人竟然是守序中立
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article2.asp?x=dnd/dx20001222x

Your Character’s Alignment

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Lawful Neutral.

Lawful Neutral

A lawful neutral character acts as law, tradition, or a personal code directs her. Order and organization are paramount to her. She may believe in personal order and live by a code or standard, or she may believe in order for all and favor a strong, organized government. The common phrase for lawful neutral is "true lawful." Lawful neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you are reliable and honorable without being a zealot.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6

Keep in mind the alignment suggested by the quiz is just that: a suggestion. It describes your character no better than a 36-question test would describe you. But it’s a good way to start thinking about how your character acts when confronted with issues of alignment.

Now that your character has taken the test, make a note of which questions scored in the opposite direction from your overall alignment. These exceptions can tell some interesting tales about your character Are you a good character with a greedy streak? Are you a lawful character who can’t stand the village elders? Don’t just roleplay your alignment -- roleplay your alignment exceptions, too. Few characters perfectly embody their alignment choice.

查找了下，据说这个阵营以军队和狱卒为代表

嘿嘿，楼主我要抓你了哦～～～

[ 本帖最后由 wingdwer 于 2009-12-12 21:22 编辑 ]

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-12 22:26:14

原帖由 shadowmoon5 于 2009-12-12 20:28 发表
你知道得太多了···我们正义人士要低调
202020

我是邪恶人士，哈哈！
我也会远距离意念斩，我是破善斩哦！沙加要小心！
而且三个我这样的人可以使用“雅典娜的惊叹”这种超强远程碰触攻击的哦！而且无视豁免和抗性……

作者: Smokemage 时间: 2009-12-12 22:44:01

大致上说，楼主的行为（看法）有这么几条：

1.在并未征询任何人意见的情况下私自与魅魔交易他人的儿子（相当程度的邪恶，一定程度的混乱）
注：Connor是否有罪并不好确定，即使你真的认为他有罪，你凭什么用他做交换以解锁血法？法官即使有充分理由判处嫌犯没收全部财产，那些财产该给法官自己么？
2.在难以判断善恶的前提下忽略主流的认识坚决支持朋友（明显的混乱）
3.“事件（任务）的双方都得到符合我（主角）价值观的处理我（主角）得到一定的利益”
这说法的落脚点在“我得到利益”上，所以是明显的邪恶。
4.“如果不能则尽量照顾弱者”（有前提的善良）
5.“如果没有无辜者则解决后勒索双方再杀光”
显然是混乱的行为。鉴于前面有个强前提，单单是杀掉不结合具体情况难以判断善恶，但你先做了“勒索双方”的行为，从双方那里都获得了利益，然后……是否应该算是“灭口”？这个行为绝对是偏邪恶的。

至少你在DAO中的主角，其阵营是无可争议的混乱邪恶。

PS：劫富济贫者可称侠盗，而劫富济己者……强盗而已。

[ 本帖最后由 Smokemage 于 2009-12-12 22:52 编辑 ]

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-12 23:13:20 标题: 回复 #25 Smokemage 的帖子

那如何解释我最后阵营都变成混乱善良？

难道我真的是天然黒 555555555555555555555555

作者: shadowmoon5 时间: 2009-12-12 23:16:18

原帖由 zhuangdiablo 于 2009-12-12 22:26 发表

我是邪恶人士，哈哈！
我也会远距离意念斩，我是破善斩哦！沙加要小心！
而且三个我这样的人可以使用“雅典娜的惊叹”这种超强远程碰触攻击的哦！而且无视豁免和抗性…… ...

········你们牛B·····来吧孩子们，跟我一起到娑罗双树下，哥自杀给你们看····

作者: wingdwer 时间: 2009-12-12 23:19:25 标题: 回复 #27 shadowmoon5 的帖子

我等着，如果你还在，我一天可以放七次转化不死，放心的去吧

作者: Smokemage 时间: 2009-12-12 23:21:46 标题: 回复 #26 CaiMM 的帖子

我自己是守序中立，但我自己玩游戏，从来都是一直往守序善良偏的。因为游戏里你扮演的角色并不是你自己，而基本上所有人，都希望别人是善良的。因为善良是利他的，对于本身就是善良阵营的人，那是他自己的信念，对于中立/邪恶阵营的人，他们可以从他人的善良中自己得到利益，所以游戏里偏善良是一个正常倾向。

无冬系列里善良路线解决问题总是可以拿到最多的好处（重要宝物都能拿到，邪恶路线通常只是多拿点钱，而善良路线更能收获不少的队友好感），所以大家都爱选择善良路线——而DAO则不是如此。

作者: Smokemage 时间: 2009-12-12 23:29:58 标题: 回复 #27 shadowmoon5 的帖子

如来不厉害的，经常被雪山弟子一个perform feijian;get sword;wield sword;perform chaofeng就秒掉了，更何况沙加只是山寨版的如来呢……

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-12 23:38:17

我并不感到自己是邪恶的啊

做出选择的时候也不觉得违背自己的本性啊

作者: Smokemage 时间: 2009-12-12 23:40:25

原帖由 CaiMM 于 2009-12-12 23:38 发表
我并不感到自己是邪恶的啊

做出选择的时候也不觉得违背自己的本性啊

那你的本性……

作者: bdaabc 时间: 2009-12-13 03:16:10

看了回帖，姐姐果然是腹黑。。。。。。
光速闪。。。。。。

作者: shadowmoon5 时间: 2009-12-13 19:12:20

版大你太坏了··我觉得MM是好人勒·····

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-13 19:35:06 标题: 回复 #34 shadowmoon5 的帖子

由此间接说明萝莉版版也是很邪恶的…哈哈…
无冬区灌水组.exe

作者: shadowmoon5 时间: 2009-12-13 19:43:00 标题: 回复 #35 zhuangdiablo 的帖子

菠萝兄真是一语道破天机啊··版大没在吧？光速闪····

作者: bdaabc 时间: 2009-12-14 04:01:00 标题: 回复 #35 zhuangdiablo 的帖子

我一直保持绝对中立阵营的。。。。。。

作者: 雪代缘 时间: 2009-12-14 04:57:52

只要施展六道輪回與天舞寶輪就可以了……[偶怕怕]

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-14 08:48:38 标题: 回复 #37 bdaabc 的帖子

不信……　　　　　　　
无冬区灌水组.exe

作者: xingxfeng 时间: 2009-12-14 12:39:30

Your Character’s Alignment

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Lawful Good.

Lawful Good

A lawful good character acts as a good person is expected or required to act. She combines a commitment to oppose evil with the discipline to fight relentlessly. She tells the truth, keeps her word, helps those in need, and speaks out against injustice. A lawful good character hates to see the guilty go unpunished. Lawful good is the best alignment you can be because it combines honor and compassion.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6

Keep in mind the alignment suggested by the quiz is just that: a suggestion. It describes your character no better than a 36-question test would describe you. But it’s a good way to start thinking about how your character acts when confronted with issues of alignment.

Now that your character has taken the test, make a note of which questions scored in the opposite direction from your overall alignment. These exceptions can tell some interesting tales about your character Are you a good character with a greedy streak? Are you a lawful character who can’t stand the village elders? Don’t just roleplay your alignment -- roleplay your alignment exceptions, too. Few characters perfectly embody their alignment choice.

Try the test again

Changing Alignment

From time to time (say every three to five levels), it might be a good idea to retake this alignment test to see whether your character is experiencing "alignment drift." Perhaps you intended him to walk the straight and narrow, but (having fallen in with bad company), he’s becoming increasingly comfortable with behavior that would make his mentors blush. Or perhaps you intended her as a hard-bitten cynic, yet find that she’s the one who makes sure the rescued survivors get safely back to town, sometimes slipping them a few gold pieces to replace their losses.

Don’t despair: People change over time, and characters do too. Some become more lawful (there’s nothing like amassing a stockpile of loot to make you want banditry and thieving to stop). Others relax their earlier strictures to embrace a more flexible approach. The alignment you choose while creating the character may not be the alignment that best fits how you play that character. Retaking the test later on also has the advantage that, instead of abstract conditions, you can plug in specific examples of how the character behaved when faced with any of the situations outlined in the "test."

Note that some characters (paladins, clerics, monks) suffer consequences of shifting alignment. Consider this test a qualifying exam for beginning characters in this class ("Well, you seem to score poorly on lawfulness, Sir Eadgar -- are you sure you want to be a paladin?") and a moral and ethical compass for those already on their chosen path.

只知道是守序善良

作者: tks009 时间: 2009-12-14 15:39:00

中立善良。。。。。。。我一直觉得是混乱善良，可能给天朝的制度同化成了中立了，敢怒不敢言啊！！！慢慢成中立了。。。。

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-14 15:42:40 标题: 回复 #41 tks009 的帖子

我被感化成守序邪恶了…
无冬区灌水组.exe

作者: 舞灵 时间: 2009-12-14 15:55:42

选项太多了，懒得测试...

作者: Shal431 时间: 2009-12-15 09:59:38

绝对中立的飘过

作者: wingdwer 时间: 2009-12-15 11:52:09

据说～～，绝对中立都是墙头草，自我改变主意极快，唯一不需要糊弄，唬骗。。。的良民啊～～～～～～～～～～～～

作者: bdaabc 时间: 2009-12-15 12:33:48 标题: 回复 #45 wingdwer 的帖子

那是不可能的，我可是很坚持己见的。。。。。。

作者: Shal431 时间: 2009-12-15 12:53:32 标题: 回复 #45 wingdwer 的帖子

我确实是良民

[汗水]

作者: CaiMM 时间: 2009-12-16 08:20:04

只要坚信自己的信念是正确的就可以乐

作者: xzas1 时间: 2009-12-16 16:22:23

Your Character’s Alignment

Based on your answers to the quiz, your character’s most likely alignment is Neutral.

Neutral

A neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. She doesn’t feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Most neutrality is a lack of conviction or bias rather than a commitment to neutrality. Such a character thinks of good as better than evil. After all, she would rather have good neighbors and rulers than evil ones. Still, she’s not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way. Some neutral characters, on the other hand, commit themselves philosophically to neutrality. They see good, evil, law, and chaos as prejudices and dangerous extremes. They advocate the middle way of neutrality as the best, most balanced road in the long run. The common phrase for neutral is "true neutral." Neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you act naturally, without prejudice or compulsion.

--excerpted from the Player’s Handbook, Chapter 6

Keep in mind the alignment suggested by the quiz is just that: a suggestion. It describes your character no better than a 36-question test would describe you. But it’s a good way to start thinking about how your character acts when confronted with issues of alignment.

Now that your character has taken the test, make a note of which questions scored in the opposite direction from your overall alignment. These exceptions can tell some interesting tales about your character Are you a good character with a greedy streak? Are you a lawful character who can’t stand the village elders? Don’t just roleplay your alignment -- roleplay your alignment exceptions, too. Few characters perfectly embody their alignment choice.

我跟BZ一样~我也觉得我是非常坚持己见的(貌似我不记得别人有改变过我的意志过...)45L的绝对是谣言............................................................

作者: zhuangdiablo 时间: 2009-12-16 17:00:51

中立的人其实是最固执几见的…要不然也不能维持住中立
要不然德鲁依之类的职业就会有变身墙头草作为植物变身的一种…

作者: kingares 时间: 2009-12-17 21:56:06

果然是混乱邪恶。。。。

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